What are they Blumine playing at ?

[Barbirollians]

I know this recording is a few years old but I was surprised to find when ordering Juriwski’s Mahler 1 recording after being very taken with both his No 2 and 4 that Blumine appears between the first and second movements. Charming piece as it is I think Mahler was clearly right to jettison it .

Why would one reintroduce it ? It is not like the interesting Hengelbrock version or the earlier version of the Mendelssohn Violin Concerto that Daniel Hope recorded which are interesting in how they show the development of the piece.

There are lots of lovely things in it and some superb playing from the LPO especially the woodwind and brass but I still feel nobody tops Walter in this piece as fab as Barbirolli,Bernstein and Kubelik are.

[richardfinegold]

It’s not the only recording to feature the movement. I agree that the piece works better with it excised, but perhaps with the the other dozens of M1 out there, every few years someone will include it to try to shake things up.
I’ve been playing the Fisher-Budapest M6 a lot frequently. The inner movements are Andante-Scherzo, which always sounds wrong to me. A few clicks of the remote fix that.

[Bryn]

I know this recording is a few years old but I was surprised to find when ordering Juriwski’s Mahler 1 recording after being very taken with both his No 2 and 4 that Blumine appears between the first and second movements. Charming piece as it is I think Mahler was clearly right to jettison it .

Why would one reintroduce it ? It is not like the interesting Hengelbrock version or the earlier version of the Mendelssohn Violin Concerto that Daniel Hooe recorded which are interesting in how they show the development of the piece.

Norrington did the same in his recording with the Stuttgarters. I'm only too happy to hear Blunine in its second home, the Symphonic Poem in Two Parts, 'Titan', but please don't put it between the reorchestrated, and part recomposed, movements of the 1st Symphony.

[pastoralguy]

Iirc, Neemi Jarvi and the (Royal) Scottish National Orchestra included it in their 1980's recording on Chandos.

[cloughie]

Iirc, Neemi Jarvi and the (Royal) Scottish National Orchestra included it in their 1980's recording on Chandos.

The DG Ozawa recording also included it as did Wyn Morris many years ago - I find it a delightful piece and not averse to it as an interlude in S1!

[Bryn]

The DG Ozawa recording also included it as did Wyn Morris many years ago - I find it a delightful piece and not averse to it as an interlude in S1!

The Wyn Morris used the Hanover version of the Symphonic Poem in Two Parts, 'Titan', though in an edition prior to that used by Hengelbrock. It was labelled as the First Symphony which, strictly, it was not. Not the New Philharmonia's finest recording, though I was only too happy to get it when it came out.

[Barbirollians]

I shall be programming it out next time I play this recording. In earlier versions it has its place but reinstated in Mahler’s final version it seems just wrong to my ears.

[richardfinegold]

Ormandy included it as well.

[Dave2002]

Ormandy included it as well.

I must confess that although I've been aware of this movement for many years, I have either never heard it, or if I have, never remembered it. Does it ever get performed at concerts? The last time I heard Mahler 1 at a concert was a few years back, at the Proms. I don't recall the extra movement. Has it ever been included in a live Prom performance?

[LMcD]

I must confess that although I've been aware of this movement for many years, I have either never heard it, or if I have, never remembered it. Does it ever get performed at concerts? The last time I heard Mahler 1 at a concert was a few years back, at the Proms. I don't recall the extra movement. Has it ever been included in a live Prom performance?

It has featured in 3 Proms as a stand-alone piece: 7/8/1992, 4/8/1997, 2/9/2011.
I think it may have been included in the English premiere of the 1st symphony at the Prom on 21/10/1903. (I didn't know the Proms used to be held in the autumn!)

[BBMmk2]

Norrington did the same in his recording with the Stuttgarters. I'm only too happy to hear Blunine in its second home, the Symphonic Poem in Two Parts, 'Titan', but please don't put it between the reorchestrated, and part recomposed, movements of the 1st Symphony.

Didn’t Les Siécles record the original, as a two parter

[Bryn]

Didn’t Les Siécles record the original, as a two parter

Indeed, and Roth also recorded the 1st Symphony:

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I do wish people wouldn't discuss my old password!

But I agree with the point raised. Once Mahler had discarded it, it shouldn't be reintroduced, except as part of the original version of the work.

[Alison]

Thanks Barbs, a useful reminder to order the Jurowski Fourth.

[Barbirollians]

Thanks Barbs, a useful reminder to order the Jurowski Fourth.

It is very good Alison.