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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #16
    Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
    But I am intrigued - apart from truly mass protest issues, can you point to instances where controllers of Radio stations have listened to the representations from their audience. When Radio 4's "feedback" programme managers to get responsible executives into the studio, they always seem to regard it as an opportunity to explain to us numpties why they are right and we are wrong....
    Yes - I wish that I could agree more with gurne's points, but listening to Feedback, where week after week BBC spokespeople churn out the "we're right, you're wrong - shut up and keep paying your Licence Fee" trope cnfirms that cloughie's assessment is right on the button.
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • DracoM
      Host
      • Mar 2007
      • 13000

      #17
      Yes, but the very fact that 'Feedback' was developed as a veil behind which does at the very least - and boy, is it a 'least' - show that the BBC is aware of critics.
      Yes, they take no notice and yes, they are patronising and dismissive when on the prog, but it does show they are aware - well....sort of........

      What beats me is that R3 depends on an audience that is possibly among the more articulate and analytic - NOT the loudest or rudest - but articulate sections of its total congregation, AD one of the easiest to reach. Yet, that R3 audience which has via the Forum etc etc at least been pretty clear about what it values and does not value e.g. in terms of presentation, content, direction of travel, is treated like an IED.

      I fear that as swarms of multi-flies we are perhaps on the wall of the office of the real life 'W1A' - for me one of the most worrying, yet funniest and finest 'less-is-more' TV shows of the last decade. And incidentally, stopped, one suspects, when many began to think that it was a sight too close to the bone, and maybe audiences thought they were seeing the REAL BBC in attitude, outlook and decision-making processes, and not a satire show masquerading as a documentary!

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      • doversoul1
        Ex Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 7132

        #18
        Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
        But I am intrigued - apart from truly mass protest issues, can you point to instances where controllers of Radio stations have listened to the representations from their audience. When Radio 4's "feedback" programme manages to get responsible executives into the studio, they always seem to regard it as an opportunity to explain to us numpties why they are right and we are wrong....
        Didn’t french frank have fairly frequent direct contact with the old controller of Radio 3? And if I remember correctly, she had a number of personal responses from the current controller before and after he took up the position. The responses from the current controller sounded as if he positively agreed with the points ff was making which were based on the various research and polls ff undertook mostly on FoR 3 and this forum. Well, that was then.
        Last edited by doversoul1; 20-10-19, 14:55.

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        • LMcD
          Full Member
          • Sep 2017
          • 8761

          #19
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Yes - I wish that I could agree more with gurne's points, but listening to Feedback, where week after week BBC spokespeople churn out the "we're right, you're wrong - shut up and keep paying your Licence Fee" trope cnfirms that cloughie's assessment is right on the button.
          Anyone who's ever watched 'Newswatch' on the BBC News Channel soon realizes that the BBC has a depressingly smug answer to whatever questions viewers raise. For example, the policy of having of two or more BBC types interview each other in, say, Brussels when at least one of them could join in from London is 'appreciated by viewers because it increases their involvement and more vividly conveys the importance and drama of the occasion'. BBC spokespersons claim that this happens only for stories of genuine national importance - yet they sent Daniel Sandford to Sofia to cover the football racism story; he was on screen for just over a minute and had nothing to add to what we already new.

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          • DracoM
            Host
            • Mar 2007
            • 13000

            #20
            Well........how about this?

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            • oddoneout
              Full Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 9349

              #21
              Originally posted by LMcD View Post
              Anyone who's ever watched 'Newswatch' on the BBC News Channel soon realizes that the BBC has a depressingly smug answer to whatever questions viewers raise. For example, the policy of having of two or more BBC types interview each other in, say, Brussels when at least one of them could join in from London is 'appreciated by viewers because it increases their involvement and more vividly conveys the importance and drama of the occasion'. BBC spokespersons claim that this happens only for stories of genuine national importance - yet they sent Daniel Sandford to Sofia to cover the football racism story; he was on screen for just over a minute and had nothing to add to what we already new.
              Doing their bit for climate change.

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              • DracoM
                Host
                • Mar 2007
                • 13000

                #22

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                • Maclintick
                  Full Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1085

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                  But I am intrigued - apart from truly mass protest issues, can you point to instances where controllers of Radio stations have listened to the representations from their audience. When Radio 4's "feedback" programme manages to get responsible executives into the studio, they always seem to regard it as an opportunity to explain to us numpties why they are right and we are wrong....
                  It's a very long time since I heard any discussion of Radio 3 on "Feedback", and cannot remember the channel's current controller Alan Davey ever putting in an appearance. His predecessor Roger Wright did so on a number of occasions, but that's a long time ago -- prehistory in broadcasting terms, of course...

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                  • cloughie
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22222

                    #24
                    Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                    Anyone who's ever watched 'Newswatch' on the BBC News Channel soon realizes that the BBC has a depressingly smug answer to whatever questions viewers raise. For example, the policy of having of two or more BBC types interview each other in, say, Brussels when at least one of them could join in from London is 'appreciated by viewers because it increases their involvement and more vividly conveys the importance and drama of the occasion'. BBC spokespersons claim that this happens only for stories of genuine national importance - yet they sent Daniel Sandford to Sofia to cover the football racism story; he was on screen for just over a minute and had nothing to add to what we already new.
                    ...and locally we have very good news teams on Spotlight and at Radio Cornwall so why the duplication fairly regularly from the National gang.
                    , when the local news can be easily networked!

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                    • LMcD
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8761

                      #25
                      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                      ...and locally we have very good news teams on Spotlight and at Radio Cornwall so why the duplication fairly regularly from the National gang.
                      , when the local news can be easily networked!
                      We've had a 'Look East' reporter and a reporter sent from London both standing in exactly the same place and telling us exactly the same things about the dreadful double murder in Milton Keynes.

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                      • Judith Robbyns

                        #26
                        To return to the original topic, travelling by Great Western Railway (so-called) yesterday, I was sure it was Andrew's voice in one short recorded announcement, "Mind the gap between the platform and the train", which is played each time we stop at a station. I wonder if any other railway travellers have noticed this, or was it just that the subject has been on my mind lately?

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                        • gradus
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5637

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Judith Robbyns View Post
                          To return to the original topic, travelling by Great Western Railway (so-called) yesterday, I was sure it was Andrew's voice in one short recorded announcement, "Mind the gap between the platform and the train", which is played each time we stop at a station. I wonder if any other railway travellers have noticed this, or was it just that the subject has been on my mind lately?
                          Could be, our car satnav has Penny Gore (I think) telling us how to get there.

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                          • cloughie
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22222

                            #28
                            Originally posted by gradus View Post
                            Could be, our car satnav has Penny Gore (I think) telling us how to get there.
                            No doubt telling you very politely where to go - Now that has to be good!

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                            • gradus
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 5637

                              #29
                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              No doubt telling you very politely where to go - Now that has to be good!
                              I put that lob up for the smash!

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                              • Darloboy
                                Full Member
                                • Jun 2019
                                • 338

                                #30
                                Is anyone else missing Mal’s BaL programme summaries from the last series on the forum (he listened so we didn’t have to)? Not that I can blame him if he’s decided to give recent programmes a miss.

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