Conductor/orchestra partnerships....

[cloughie]

Is JEGgers & English Baroque Soloists/OR&R (working together for 40 years) "cheating"?

From the past, a few other names come to mind: Klemperer/PhilO; Mravinsky/LeningradPO; Kempe/Munich; Ansermet/OSR; Ormandy/Philadelphians; Gibson/SNO; Groves/LiverpoolPO; and ... well, where is Barbi, anyway?

Indeed so, what Barbirolli achieved with the Halle was nothing short of... name your superlative!

[Beef Oven!]

Indeed so, what Barbirolli achieved with the Halle was nothing short of... name your superlative!

But nothing compared to what Karajan achieved with the BPO, or what (Sir) Reggie Goodall achieved with the Sadler's Wells/ENO. But so what? Giovanni did well!

[gradus]

From earlier times:
Beecham and the LPO, Beecham and the RPO.
Monteux and the LSO.
Barbirolli and the Halle.
Goodall and the ENO orchestra.

[Beef Oven!]

From earlier times:
Beecham and the LPO, Beecham and the RPO.
Monteux and the LSO.
Barbirolli and the Halle.
Goodall and the ENO orchestra.

Good shout on Beecham - often overlooked in terms of value added

[cloughie]

But nothing compared to what Karajan achieved with the BPO, or what (Sir) Reggie Goodall achieved with the Sadler's Wells/ENO. But so what? Giovanni did well!

I disagree, bearing in mind what they started with.

[Beef Oven!]

I disagree, bearing in mind what they started with.

He achieved less. But he definitely gets a cigar!

(great musician, but not in this league)

[cloughie]

He achieved less. But he definitely gets a cigar!

(great musician, but not in this league)

A matter of opinion and taste.

[Barbirollians]

There are indeed few greater partnerships than Halle/Barbirolli to take a close to destroyed orchestra in 1943 and to lead it in reality for 27 years was extraordinary.

If Birmingham CC do not succeed in damaging the CBSO seriously I would not be surprised to see their relationship with MGT fall into the category of great partnerships.

[Beef Oven!]

A matter of opinion and taste.

No, opinion and taste don't come into it. The sheer number of tip-top recordings, the festivals, the BPO concerts, the HvK Music Prize, the HvK Conducting Competition etc put Karajan in a different league. Love Barbirolli of course, but .........

[BBMmk2]

André Previn had a decent enough stint with the LSO.

[gurnemanz]

Gewandhauskapellmeister:

35 years - 1860–1895: Carl Reinecke
27 years - 1895–1922: Arthur Nikisch
26 years - 1970–1996: Kurt Masur

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

André Previn had a decent enough stint with the LSO.

- Eleven years. Bernstein, whilst never Chief Conductor of the orchestra, had an association with the orchestra that lasted from 1966 - 1990; but even that impressive record is dwarfed by his thirty-three-year association with the NYPO (12-ish of them as chief conductor).

[mathias broucek]

Gewandhauskapellmeister:

35 years - 1860–1895: Carl Reinecke
27 years - 1895–1922: Arthur Nikisch
26 years - 1970–1996: Kurt Masur

Good shout on Masur. I saw him do Beethoven in London with them and he seemed to communicate telepathically with them!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Philadelphia/Ormandy - 1936-80.

[Dave2002]

No, opinion and taste don't come into it. The sheer number of tip-top recordings, the festivals, the BPO concerts, the HvK Music Prize, the HvK Conducting Competition etc put Karajan in a different league. Love Barbirolli of course, but .........

Nah....!!!

It's all opinion.

Can't you just say that both were very good. I never heard Karajan - he had the temerity to die before I had a chance.

The BPO was already one of the world's best orchestras, or so I believe, when Karajan took over. That wasn't the case with the Halle.