Bach 333

[Bryn]

I wonder what we will bet when a potential Haydn opportunity presents itself? Will it be a Haydn 222 in 2031 or a Haydn 300 in 2032. I also wonder what the prevailing recorded music format will be by then. Given the current minor craze for vinyl, perhaps it will be shellac?

[teamsaint]

I wonder what we will bet when a potential Haydn opportunity presents itself? Will it be a Haydn 222 in 2031 or a Haydn 300 in 2032. I also wonder what the prevailing recorded music format will be by then. Given the current minor craze for vinyl, perhaps it will be shellac?

With luck, it will be the by then retro CD.

[Bryn]

With luck, it will be the by then retro CD.

Surely polycarbonate will be a banned substance by then? Shellac, being a natural biological secretion, might stage a come-back.

[pastoralguy]

I wonder what we will bet when a potential Haydn opportunity presents itself? Will it be a Haydn 222 in 2031 or a Haydn 300 in 2032. I also wonder what the prevailing recorded music format will be by then. Given the current minor craze for vinyl, perhaps it will be shellac?

I was trawling the charity shops today in the student part of Edinburgh today where I spied a young woman with a pile of classical vinyl in her arms. I asked what the attraction was and she told me she was buying them for a friend who was obsessed with records. I told her I was old enough to remember CDs being introduced back in the dark ages and that we lovers of classical music were, on the whole, delighted to see the back of vinyl with the cheap production values, snap, crackle and pop and propensity to get damaged after a few playings no matter how careful one was with them.

She replied that her friend loved the ritual of playing a record.

Ah well, each to their own.

[Zucchini]

I also wonder what the prevailing recorded music format will be by then. Given the current minor craze for vinyl, perhaps it will be shellac?

Doubt it. You have to buy a dog to stuff in the loudspeaker ...

[Bryn]

And that's why I've bought it. I realise that the reasons for its appearance are not in the slightest bit altruistic ("in the interests of scholarship") but, rather, Universal cynically hoping to squeeze extra sales from mostly existing material. However, apart from the usual suspects (Brandenburgs, Suites, Mass in B minor, Goldbergs and the WTC, the John and Matthew Passions, a clutch of cantatas), I don't have all that much JSB so it has filled a rather large gap in my collection. To use a word which now sets my teeth on edge, it does seem to have been thoughtfully, "curated" and, at not much more than £1.50 a CD, it doesn't feel like a rip-off.

This claims to be a limited edition of 8,500. Mine is No. 6026. That does not mean much since they are distribited to many vendors, and thus not sold in sequence. However, it does somewhat suggest that limit might soon be reached. What numbers do others here have?

[vinteuil]

This clains to be a limited edition of 8,500. Mine is No. 6026. That does not mean much since they are distribited to many vendors, and thus not sold in sequence. However, it does somewhat suggest that limit might soon be reached. What numbers do others here have?

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5745

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[HighlandDougie]

This clains to be a limited edition of 8,500. Mine is No. 6026. That does not mean much since they are distribited to many vendors, and thus not sold in sequence. However, it does somewhat suggest that limit might soon be reached. What numbers do others here have?

Mine is 6250 (and it looks hand-written). The big Bernstein box I have is 3084 of an edition of 4,000 (and that came from Lithuania) - and the HvK first DG Beethoven cycle on vinyl is 129 of 1,200 (Amazon France). I'm pretty sure distribution to wholesalers/retailers will be random rather than sequential (maybe TS would know about such things?). I wonder, though, how Universal estimate the number to of sets to release - did they overestimate the HvK box, hence the Brown's Books price, and then cut back on Lenny? And how many German sets (of Bach 333) and how many in English?

[teamsaint]

Mine is 6250 (and it looks hand-written). The big Bernstein box I have is 3084 of an edition of 4,000 (and that came from Lithuania) - and the HvK first DG Beethoven cycle on vinyl is 129 of 1,200 (Amazon France). I'm pretty sure distribution to wholesalers/retailers will be random rather than sequential (maybe TS would know about such things?). I wonder, though, how Universal estimate the number to of sets to release - did they overestimate the HvK box, hence the Brown's Books price, and then cut back on Lenny? And how many German sets (of Bach 333) and how many in English?

I don't really know about such things , HD, but logic says that if a certain retailer/wholesaler had got the first 100/500/1000 numbered stock, they would be advertising it , and they aren't. ( In books, as you know a usual model is to sell through the hardback, and then get the PB to marke asapt, although things are moving quickly towards limited/special editions and suchlike, check out the Foyles website for example.)
Stock usually goes through a distributor in a huge mechanised warehouse. Its not just Amazon doing that sort of thing, book distributors and wholesalers are amazingly slick and mechanised, and on small margins.
If it was me with that sort of product to move , I'd have held back the first 100 numbered ( or something) , and flogged them at a premium. But I'm like that !!

As for production run estimates, it'll all be done on previous sales numbers for similar items , with a bit of slack built in. However, if books are anything to go by, they'll also look at the total expected gross revenue, costs, and work out a price and production run based on a required margin. 8k copies for this seems quite a big run to me, but they are probably allowing for some people buying just for the new CDs.


Looks like it is selling pretty well, #51 in classical on Amazon in Classical, which seems strong to me for a £400 set.

[Bryn]

There was an item on Radio 4's You and Yours, dealing with the issue of music speeding up. For the popular misic side, the argument was that the market demands that vocals are introduced within 30 seconds of the start (on Spostisfy, if you give up sooner, the play does not count towards the popularity statistics). For the classical side, Nicolas Kenyon put forward the argument that the trend, represented in the Bach 333 box, towards faster perfromcnes reflected both historical research into perfromance styles and tempo indications such as andante (walking pace), plus greater virtuosity from the players (?). Melanie Abbott responded with the suggestion that people might be walking faster, these days. Sir Nick did not demur.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

tempo indications such as andante (walking pace), plus greater virtuosity from the players (?). Melanie Abbott responded with the suggestion that people might be walking faster, these days. Sir Nick did not demur.

A question for linguists/Italian speakers - where does the idea that "Andante" means "walking speed" originate? It always struck me as an inadequate direction - and Italian dictionaries in other (non-musical) contexts give "going" as a closer translation.

[Bryn]

A question for linguists/Italian speakers - where does the idea that "Andante" means "walking speed" originate? It always struck me as an inadequate direction - and Italian dictionaries in other (non-musical) contexts give "going" as a closer translation.

This might throw some light, though not a lot, on it.

[vinteuil]

A question for linguists/Italian speakers - where does the idea that "Andante" means "walking speed" originate? It always struck me as an inadequate direction - and Italian dictionaries in other (non-musical) contexts give "going" as a closer translation.

... this might [?] give some insight into the etymology (tho' it looks more speculative than scholarly) -

https://www.etimo.it/?term=andare

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wBylsA7QbUcC&pg=RA1-PA64&lpg=RA1-PA64&dq=andare+etymologia&source=bl&ots=1PSDKAeVwn&sig=9HeSudONTYP8ylmQoGZTKnzLKvY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPxJO-373eAhUNM8AKHRDLB0cQ6AEwBnoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=andare%20etymologia&f=false

More up-to-date :

https://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/andare

But it seems that the etymology is problematic -

https://www.academia.edu/11918750/Letimologia_di_ANDARE_e_affini

It would be good to have Jean's help!



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[Pulcinella]

According to Grove, an early use of the term applied to the so-called walking bass, and it was an instruction (not a tempo indication) to play clearly, not inégale.

[Bryn]

Best call an ambulance, what? (Prenderò il mio cappotto).