Five Essential Elgar Recordings - your five?

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  • Pabmusic
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    • May 2011
    • 5537

    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post


    A pity the recording of Carice (?pronounced "Sarike"?) wasn't part of the broadcast.

    I suspect the whole of this discussion is of absolutely no interest to MrJongJong.
    Jerrold Northrop Moore and Michael Kennedy both pronounced it 'Kareece". What did they know? My beloved daughter is - and always has been - 'kariss'.

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    • gradus
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      • Nov 2010
      • 5606

      Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
      Jerrold Northrop Moore and Michael Kennedy both pronounced it 'Kareece". What did they know? My beloved daughter is - and always has been - 'kariss'.
      Presumably Kariss and coined from his wife's names Caroline Alice.

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      • LeMartinPecheur
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        • Apr 2007
        • 4717

        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        Indeed - the only hard G "g e" combination I can think of is "get" - everything else (general, German, germane, germ, gentle, gesture, genuine, gem, gelatin) is soft.

        I've been a "hard g in Gerontius" since I heard/read in my teens that that was how the composer pronounced it, but the "evidence" seems to be lacking.
        Does anyone pronounce Eliot's Gerontion with a soft g?
        I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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        • teamsaint
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          • Nov 2010
          • 25200

          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Indeed - the only hard G "g e" combination I can think of is "get" - everything else (general, German, germane, germ, gentle, gesture, genuine, gem, gelatin) is soft.

          I've been a "hard g in Gerontius" since I heard/read in my teens that that was how the composer pronounced it, but the "evidence" seems to be lacking.
          Gethsemane is usually hard G , isn’t it ? Does that count ?


          Gecko.

          ( I googled that one....)
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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
            Gethsemane is usually hard G , isn’t it ? Does that count ?


            Gecko.

            ( I googled that one....)
            and - there's also a series just started on the Getty family - do they own the 'burg address where Lincoln had an address?
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • Pabmusic
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              • May 2011
              • 5537

              Originally posted by gradus View Post
              Presumably Kariss and coined from his wife's names Caroline Alice.
              That's what I say, though the dedication of Salut d'Amour (which is where it all began) is in French and presumably would have had the long eee - à Carice.
              Last edited by Pabmusic; 14-09-18, 21:20.

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              • Pabmusic
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                • May 2011
                • 5537

                Elgar is often a problem where pronunciation is concerned. For most of his life his name was edWAHRD ELgrrr - pretty well the opposite of what we say now (EDwd ELGAHR). It was WW1 that did for the Germanic pronunciation of Edward (people had lived in the Edwahrdian age).
                Last edited by Pabmusic; 14-09-18, 21:56.

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                • cloughie
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                  • Dec 2011
                  • 22115

                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  and - there's also a series just started on the Getty family - do they own the 'burg address where Lincoln had an address?
                  I'd gettison the idea!

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                  • Pabmusic
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                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    Gertrude anyone?

                    No, me neither.

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • Nimrod
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                        • Mar 2012
                        • 152

                        1. Symphony no. 1 - Halle Orchestra, Barbirolli, Kings Lynn Live broadcast
                        2. Enigma Variations - Halle Orchestra, Barbirolli, 1956 Pye recording in the FTH
                        3. The Music Makers - BBCSO, Davis
                        4. Sospiri - NPO, Barbirolli. A beautiful work conducted and played beautifully.
                        The Dream of Gerontius - Halle, Barbirolli

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22115

                          Originally posted by Nimrod View Post
                          1. Symphony no. 1 - Halle Orchestra, Barbirolli, Kings Lynn Live broadcast
                          2. Enigma Variations - Halle Orchestra, Barbirolli, 1956 Pye recording in the FTH
                          3. The Music Makers - BBCSO, Davis
                          4. Sospiri - NPO, Barbirolli. A beautiful work conducted and played beautifully.
                          The Dream of Gerontius - Halle, Barbirolli
                          Welcome to the JB Fan Club. That Kings Lynn No1 is something special, do you have the recording with the Sea Pictures?

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

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                            • cloughie
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                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22115

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              OK Smart A... Yes he did some great stuff with GCB and PJBE - a good brass arranger - I'm sure BBM will agree!

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
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                                • Apr 2014
                                • 6760

                                Valid point - though with the demise of brass band programming on R3 and R2 Elgar H performances are rarities when they used to be almost weekly! Can I put in a plug for Pictures at an Exhibition ? One of the best ever arrangements - Ravel, Henry Wood and Keith Emerson not excepted. Good that the great man is still with us .

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