As we're 'on' Mahler...

[visualnickmos]

As we're discussing Mahler at the moment, I wonder if anyone has knowledge about his symphony no. 6? I have the impression that there is an original version, and also a revised version. If that is the case, what's the story, and is one more popular tha the other, and indeed, more often-recorded than the other, and how does one tell them apart if there is no mention of which version it is, on the sleeve?

Enough for now! Thanks....

[HighlandDougie]

OK, OK - it's the dreaded Tom Service but see:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/tomserviceblog/2014/jul/15/symphony-guide-mahlers-6th-tom-service

Just as long as we don't get into yet another S/A or A/S ding-dong ......

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

OK, OK - it's the dreaded Tom Service but see:

Nothing to be "dreaded" about his writings - you can read them at your own pace, and they're usually intelligent and enlightening.

Just as long as we don't get into yet another S/A or A/S ding-dong ......

Given the nature of the OP, I think it's inevitable that such bells will sound. Tin hats on, everyone!

[BBMmk2]

..........and i have transcribed the first movement for concert band!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

..........and i have transcribed the first movement for concert band!

You should be fairly safe with that. Just don't get embroiled with the the middle movements.

[BBMmk2]

You should be fairly safe with that. Just don't get embroiled with the the middle movements.

Absolutely not!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Previous Forumista discussion and campanology here:

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?14106-Mahler-6-Halle-Elder

It might make for cleaner air if, having expressed our views as warmly as we were wont then, we avoid simply repeating those views now. Unless, of course, anyone has radically altered their opinion since. I haven't so I'll not say any more.


It's might be a bit of an exaggeration to describe the case as involving an "original" and "revised" editions of the text: "merely" (merely???!!!) what the order of the two middle movements should be, and how many hammer blows there should be in the Finale. There are excellent recordings of the various options to keep us all happy.

[teamsaint]

Nothing to be "dreaded" about his writings - you can read them at your own pace, and they're usually intelligent and enlightening.


Given the nature of the OP, I think it's inevitable that such bells will sound. Tin hats on, everyone!

I really enjoy Tom Service’s writing.

Anybody read his book ?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Music-Alchemy-Journeys-Conductors-Orchestras/dp/057124047X/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1520249256&sr=1-1

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I really enjoy Tom Service’s writing.

Anybody read his book ?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Music-Alche...0249256&sr=1-1

I must give this a go. TS knows what he's talking about, so in written form, it should be worth getting to know. But on-air, it's a different matter.

[BBMmk2]

Previous Forumista discussion and campanology here:

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?14106-Mahler-6-Halle-Elder

It might make for cleaner air if, having expressed our views as warmly as we were wont then, we avoid simply repeating those views now. Unless, of course, anyone has radically altered their opinion since. I haven't so I'll not say any more.


It's might be a bit of an exaggeration to describe the case as involving an "original" and "revised" editions of the text: "merely" (merely???!!!) what the order of the two middle movements should be, and how many hammer blows there should be in the Finale. There are excellent recordings of the various options to keep us all happy.

You don't think we should have the threads put together, Ferney?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

You don't think we should have the threads put together, Ferney?

I'll join them together once the present chat has finished, Bbm - and probably re-title the resulting Thread to remove Elder's name.

[BBMmk2]

I'll join them together once the present chat has finished, Bbm - and probably re-title the resulting Thread to remove Elder's name.

[silvestrione]

S/A? A/S? OP? Please, keep us all in the loop.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

S/A? A/S? OP? Please, keep us all in the loop.

"Scherzo followed by Andante" as the order of the middle two movements as in Mahler's idea for the first publication of 1904, or "Andante followed by Scherzo" as in his altered mind a couple of years later.

"OP" = "Opening Post" of a Thread.

[Alison]

S/A please!!! Rather pleased (and pleasantly surprised) this thread hasn’t taken off.