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  • Panjandrum

    Originally posted by MickyD View Post
    what tipped the balance for me was the disgraceful treatment of readers on their forum.
    Though, to be fair, it does seem to be one member of the editorial above all others who has a, how shall we say, somewhat unusual method of comunication with the people who pay his wages.

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    • Ferretfancy
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 3487

      amateur51

      I agree with you about Gramophone, you certainly won't regret going for IRR. If you are at all interested in historic material, you might enjoy Classical Recordings Quarterly, it has fascinating articles and illustrations with well selected reviews of reissues. It isn't cheap at £5.95 a quarter, but I always find it interesting. www.crq.org.uk
      One quibble, I used to loath Jolly James when he started, but I think he's improved, and doesn't gush like a teenager as much as Sara.
      Warm sunshine in London, off to the Barbican tonight
      Bws.
      Ferret

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      • amateur51

        Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
        amateur51

        I agree with you about Gramophone, you certainly won't regret going for IRR. If you are at all interested in historic material, you might enjoy Classical Recordings Quarterly, it has fascinating articles and illustrations with well selected reviews of reissues. It isn't cheap at £5.95 a quarter, but I always find it interesting. www.crq.org.uk
        One quibble, I used to loath Jolly James when he started, but I think he's improved, and doesn't gush like a teenager as much as Sara.
        Warm sunshine in London, off to the Barbican tonight
        Bws.
        Ferret
        Cheers, Ferret! I've succumbed to that too

        Have a good concert - what is it?

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        • Don Petter

          Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
          One quibble, I used to loath Jolly James when he started, but I think he's improved, and doesn't gush like a teenager as much as Sara.
          He was pretty gushy this morning, and talking about Diaghilev literally pulling ballet from somewhere to somewhere else.
          Last edited by Guest; 07-04-11, 19:16. Reason: Typo

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          • Ferretfancy
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3487

            amateur51
            It's the LSO with Kristjan Jaarvi. Julia Fischer was due to play the Sibelius concerto, but has had to withdraw due to an injury. She has been replaced by Roman Simovic, who's a co-leader of the LSO. I'm not too worried about the change. The rest of the programme is an extended edition of Grieg's Peer Gynt music, and Nielsen's Aladdin Suite, which I only know from a recording.
            I'll send you a review!
            Ferret

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            • MickyD
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 4776

              Originally posted by Panjandrum View Post
              Though, to be fair, it does seem to be one member of the editorial above all others who has a, how shall we say, somewhat unusual method of comunication with the people who pay his wages.
              Nonetheless, the senior members of the editorial staff fail to moderate when he becomes rude and offensive.

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              • amateur51

                Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                amateur51
                It's the LSO with Kristjan Jaarvi. Julia Fischer was due to play the Sibelius concerto, but has had to withdraw due to an injury. She has been replaced by Roman Simovic, who's a co-leader of the LSO. I'm not too worried about the change. The rest of the programme is an extended edition of Grieg's Peer Gynt music, and Nielsen's Aladdin Suite, which I only know from a recording.
                I'll send you a review!
                Ferret
                Cheers Ferret! - hope it's an enjoyable evening

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                • Ferretfancy
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3487

                  amateur51,

                  It was a fascinating evening. I had never heard the Nielsen at a live concert, only on CD. It's an enjoyable suite, with virtually none of the composer's very individual fingerprints, except for the Market Place in Isfahan section,which is like Ives with four simultaneous and contrasting sections. The Sibelius was a strong performance. I thought the heavy orchestral outbursts were a bit too hefty, but Roman Simovic had plenty of power and commitment to match, a few patches of dodgy intonation, but it was a good performance.
                  After the interval we had an extended selection of the music from Peer Gynt, which included numbers not usually heard in the better known suite. It was played with no pauses between sections, some of which are quite short, and the overall effect was like an extended poem.It came across as more dramatic and even sometimes sinister in this guise.
                  The LSO were on top form, and I liked Jarvi, from a distance he looks not unlike the younger Previn.
                  I've got to cook a hot dinner tonight --bad timing!

                  Ferret

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                  • Panjandrum

                    Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                    amateur51,
                    It's an enjoyable suite, with virtually none of the composer's very individual fingerprints, except for the Market Place in Isfahan section,
                    I've always felt the opening "Oriental Dance" is, ironically, the prototypical western theme music; with its blazing staccato brass eruptions suggesting a Peckinpah-esque gun battle on the sun scorched main street of some one horse town.

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                    • PaulT
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 92

                      Following some of the comments on here about Mr Everard I took a look at the Gramophone forum to see what it was all about. He really is rather a nasty piece of work and I am glad I gave up my subscription some time ago. I really would not want to be associated with any organisatoion that employs people bent on such oafish behaviour. Having said that I was impressed by Rob Cowan's recent feature on Sir Thomas Beecham. Unfortunately one swallow doesn't make a summer.

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        Oh, there's some good stuff there, particular the Gramophone equivalent of Building a Library. I think the rot set set in as far as I was concerned when they refused to reply to my letters, even though I enclosed a stamped, addressed envelope. I should say that my letters were well-written and courteous. Unfortunately, their lack of response was anything but...

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                        • Eudaimonia

                          Nonetheless, the senior members of the editorial staff fail to moderate when he becomes rude and offensive.
                          I didn't think he was any more rude and offensive than the other posters in that thread who were being deliberately provocative. What kind of reply does someone like Wigmaker deserve, anyway? I hardly think paying a subscription fee entitles you to heap endless amounts of abuse on the staff and expect them to sit back and take it with a smile. Frankly, I think you ought to be glad Everard cares enough to engage at all and give you an honest, unvarnished opinion. He's a rude [bleep]--so what? I'd rather have someone be rude than to patronize me.

                          Ugh, why bother at all...for those of you who've moved on to IRR, here's a little more interesting reading for you:

                          THE JOURNAL OF MUSIC AND MEANING


                          JMM: The Journal of Music and Meaning is an on-line peer-reviewed journal for multidisciplinary research on music and meaning. The editorial profile of JMM accommodates an inclusive plurality of methods and disciplines and welcomes contributions from a variety of fields, such as: philosophy, mathematics, physics, musicology, medicine, acoustics, neurology, theology, literary studies, philosophy of science, music pedagogy, computer science, semiotics, sociology, linguistics, religious studies, anthropology, psychology, biology, education studies, music therapy, culture studies, etc. JMM aims to bridge the gap between various studies in meaning and signification and areas of research in music. JMM especially encourages any multidisciplinary research on meaning that is able to challenge conceptions of music, or research that explores the notion of meaning by the study of musical phenomena.

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                          • MickyD
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 4776

                            Eudamonia - have you read the earlier correspondence about the disappearance of the cover CD? Here you will see that there are readers such as myself voicing not "endless amounts of abuse on the staff", but perfectly reasonable views on their disappointment about the sudden decision, only to be met with dismissive and discourteous comments by Everard. I certainly don't think we should be glad that he "cares enough to engage at all", particularly when he treats loyal readers of some 30 to 40 years as some kind of dinosaur that he no longer thinks relevant. I wasn't rude in my comments, and neither does he have any right to be so in return.

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20570

                              But the general question of "rudeness" of posters is not without some foundation, in that some people are free with their criticism, but don't always like the backlash. Clearly, however, when a poster, such as Eudamonia, maked reasonable comments, there was no justification for rudeness, just as there was no justification for ignoring my polite letters which met with their criteria for a reply.

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                              • Ferretfancy
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3487

                                A couple of days ago I emailed a major company to ask why a particular type of their soap seems to unobtainable. I received an almost instantaneous reply and apology with a clear explanation, telling me when the product would be back on sale.

                                If I can get this courteous treatment over a bar of soap, I fail to see why Gramophone readers should not be treated with consideration.

                                I don't miss letting my subscription lapse.

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