A Messiah to send Hippites rushing for the smelling salts ?

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  • Barbirollians
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    • Nov 2010
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    I agree that it is a shame that Janet Baker was not recruited for this performance . I have listened to it three times now and as a whole it is a very moving performance . One's ears become accustomed to the sound and perhaps I was too harsh on Marjorie Thomas though she is much better in He was despised than O Thou that Tellest - but for me nobody comes close to Ferrier in that air .

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    • Barbirollians
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      • Nov 2010
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      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
      Sadly, Barbirolli and Ferrier had exclusive recording contracts with different companies in 1952. In 1964, Barbirolli made his EMI recording of Dream of Gerontius and Sea Pictures. Now, if the Mezzo on those recordings had been around Belle Vue in that year ...


      Though EMI and Decca did apparently do a deal over Bruno Walter and Ferrier did they not ?

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      • Alison
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        • Nov 2010
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        Anyone heard the new Andrew Davis??

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
          Though EMI and Decca did apparently do a deal over Bruno Walter and Ferrier did they not ?
          I think they must have - although Walter had worked with EMI before the War, and on the Kindertotenliederby the time of Das Lied IIRC, he was virtually a CBS contractee.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
            • 20570

            Originally posted by Alison View Post
            Anyone heard the new Andrew Davis??


            I'm very tempted by this. An alternative to Beecham.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              Originally posted by Alison View Post
              Anyone heard the new Andrew Davis??
              And who is "the new Andrew Davis"?
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Alison
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                • Nov 2010
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                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                And who is "the new Andrew Davis"?
                By some distance Barbirollians least fav conductor!!

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                • Warlock
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                  • Apr 2014
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                  [QUOTE=Barbirollians;588214]I agree that it is a shame that Janet Baker was not recruited for this performance .

                  Not every singer could commit to three performances - consecutive Saturdays at Sheffield and Belle Vue on the Sunday after the second Saturday.
                  I once heard or read an interview with Janet Baker where she said that she didn't wish to sing Messiah any more.

                  On the subject of a possible deal between EMI and Decca for Barbirolli and Kathleen Ferrier to record together JB would most certainly have wanted it to be for Gerontius.

                  I say again we should be thankful that this recording has been preserved and issued.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    Originally posted by Warlock View Post
                    I say again we should be thankful that this recording has been preserved and issued.
                    I say again - (and I don't think anyone who has contributed has "say-ed" to the contrary).

                    In 1964, Janet Baker was still singing Messiah readily - and was to contribute so memorably to the first Mackerras recording only a few years later.
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • Barbirollians
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Chandos/CHSA5176

                      I'm very tempted by this. An alternative to Beecham.
                      Sounds ghastly - a vanity project .

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                      • ostuni
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        Judging by the extracts on the Presto site, that new A Davis version is ghastly indeed, with some curious decisions (a clarinet solo for 'I know that my redeemer'), and some risible ones (that tam-tam stroke at the beginning of 'Worthy').

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20570

                          Originally posted by ostuni View Post
                          Judging by the extracts on the Presto site, that new A Davis version is ghastly indeed, with some curious decisions (a clarinet solo for 'I know that my redeemer'), and some risible ones (that tam-tam stroke at the beginning of 'Worthy').
                          I found it interesting, but I think I prefer hearing the work in the original Beecham.

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                          • Richard Barrett
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                            • Jan 2016
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                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            I prefer hearing the work in the original Beecham.

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20570

                              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post

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                              • Barbirollians
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                                If Mozart couldn't improve on Handel then how can anyone expect Andrew Davis to.

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