Jascha Horenstein on Pristine Audio--Part I

[Richard Tarleton]

the Bruch Scottish Fantasia was a genuine Decca recording and Decca release, coupled with the Hindemith Violin Concerto.

I still have that on LP - I've always preferred the warmth of the Bruch to the perfect but chilly Heifetz version....

[Alain Maréchal]

Most, possibly all, of his Readers Digest recordings were issued on CD by Chesky, so I am unsure how much work Pristine would need to do to them. I have not checked how many Chesky CDs are still available.

[richardfinegold]

Most, possibly all, of his Readers Digest recordings were issued on CD by Chesky, so I am unsure how much work Pristine would need to do to them. I have not checked how many Chesky CDs are still available.

I am almost certain that the Brahms was released on Chesky, but it wasn't on the Arkiv site. Did Chandos also release some of the R.D. Material?
Edit. Amazon shows used copies of the Brahms on Chesky. Pristine actually wound up costing less, especially as a download .

[Barbirollians]

I've seen/heard FPZ maybe a dozen times live and "safe" wouldn't be the first word that springs to mind - and certainly not in the Hindemith Concerto, where he made what can seem a bit dull pretty exciting. But my idea of "exciting" might well be Barbs's definition of "safe".

Maybe he has changed I bought some of his records in the 1980s when he was an EMI artist and they were very safe and rather dull and are some of the records I have despatched to the charity shop and the loft .

[richardfinegold]

Jingling €€€'s: but you do realise that Decca's recording isn't Public Domain until 2034.
As you have a fancy JVC-technology (K2) CD - you could play-around with it using an audio-editor - as a CD would've been the CEO's source.....
The Brahms 1st is also 'in copyright'.

European copyright are different from the U.S. Pristine is based in France. I thought 50 years and the jig is up was the Continental Rule.

[frankwm]

European copyright are different from the U.S. Pristine is based in France. I thought 50 years and the jig is up was the Continental Rule.

You are Wrong re: Copyright in the above - they are Copyright-Infringing - the release date is what counts - 1963 for the Decca - c.1967 for the Brahms - thus 2034/2038 under the 70-year rule now in force since 1 November 2013...and the Decca would've only come 'out of copyright' on 1 January 2014 - but that date was preceded by the above enactment..

Anyway, I wouldn't mind getting multiple Tenners for just copying a [copyright] CD and adding a bit of Tizz'n'stuff.

Just checked the downloads of 3 recent 78 transfers:- Monteux/Toscanini/Koussevitzky - over 800 in well under 2 weeks - and wouldn't likely have got a single comment - let alone a single penny.

NB: those figures are >just< for the 16/44 downloads - not checked on the 24/48's stored on Fichier!

[Alain Maréchal]

I am almost certain that the Brahms was released on Chesky, but it wasn't on the Arkiv site. Did Chandos also release some of the R.D. Material?
Edit. Amazon shows used copies of the Brahms on Chesky. Pristine actually wound up costing less, especially as a download .

Chandos in addition to Chesky released the Wild/Horenstein Rachmaninov concertos. Chesky claimed to have used valve technology for the reissues, presumably similar to that of the Mercury reissues (I am insufficiently knowledgeable about this sort of thing).

[HighlandDougie]

Maybe he has changed I bought some of his records in the 1980s when he was an EMI artist and they were very safe and rather dull and are some of the records I have despatched to the charity shop and the loft .

Ah, the 1980s! He has certainly matured as a musician since those early recordings, at least in terms of the Beethoven and the Mozart V/Cs which I have lurking around somewhere. The Szymanowski/Britten coupling on Sony is a good example of the later F-PZ, as is the Hindemith on BIS. I've also recently heard him in the Sibelius which was anything but dull. Anyway, miles O/T - sorry!

Back O/T, I have a copy of the Horenstein Brahms 1st as a Chesky CD which is very much an "official" re-issue. And Richard's description of the sound quality of the Bruch in the Pristine "re-master" doesn't match what one can hear in, for instance, the reissue in the 'Decca Sound: The Analogue Years' box (recorded in Walthamstow Assembly Rooms, produced by Erik Smith, son of Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt). The rights question? Who knows? France has similar lengths of copyright as the UK, as far as I know.

[seabright]

Jingling €€€'s: but you do realise that Decca's recording isn't Public Domain until 2034.
As you have a fancy JVC-technology (K2) CD - you could play-around with it using an audio-editor - as a CD would've been the CEO's source.....
The Brahms 1st is also 'in copyright'.

Wrong. The Brahms was recorded 29-30 January 1962 and the Bruch was recorded on 24 September 1962 (source: on-line Decca Discography, including all Decca-made Readers Digest recordings). Under the law as it existed then, recordings went out of copyright at the end of the calendar year 50 years after their recording dates. In other words, both recordings have been in the public domain since 1 January 2013. The 1st November 2013 EU 'Copyright in Sound Recordings' Regulations state quite clearly that only recordings still in copyright on that date "take the extended period of protection" (ie: from 50 to 70 years). They also add that this "does not apply to those sound recordings where copyright has already expired." Since the Brahms and Bruch copyrights had indeed expired on 31 December 2012, Andrew Rose has every right to re-release these 'public domain' recordings, as per the 2013 EU Regulations, if he wishes to do so.

[mathias broucek]

JH's Unicorn recordings have been reissued...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Art-Jascha-Horenstein/dp/B00WJ5JGF4?ie=UTF8&keywords=horenstein&qid=1458746813&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

http://www.scribendumrecordings.com/our-shop/4583959841/sc511-5cd---the-art-of-horenstein/9676694

[frankwm]

Wrong.Under the law as it existed then, recordings went out of copyright at the end of the calendar year 50 years after their recording dates., Andrew Rose has every right to re-release these 'public domain' recordings, as per the 2013 EU Regulations, if he wishes to do so.

My understanding is that copyright subsists from Publication Date (as would a book).
CD's are supposedly inherently copyrighted - even if containing what was 'public domain', indeed, your Mr.Rose had previously stated that he could only use an original issue LP (ie Decca LXT) not a subsequent reissue (ie: on ACL).

Doubtless you can refer me to your version - in terms of the legislation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries'_copyright_lengths

NB: he'd given the above as the reason for being unable to copy the Bruckner Sym.7 under Bruno Walter (d.17/2/62) - as it was not published until 1963...here's the darned link:-
OK: - now traced that geezers fuller explanation : 31 May 2013

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs142/1104014358705/archive/1113614481366.html

"For the past two weeks I've been promising you Bruno Walter's superb 1961 stereo recording of Bruckner's 7th Symphony. Today I'm afraid I have to announce that it's unlikely ever to see the light on the Pristine Audio label, wonderful as our long-ready remastering sounds.
It's [sic] fallen victim to an assumption I made when I began working on the remastering and should have checked first: despite being recorded during Bruno Walter's quite amazing late burst of studio activity with Columbia at the end of his life, it was held back by the record company until 1963".

So There!

[Barbirollians]

Perhaps I am unduly harsh on FPZ - highland Dougie as EMI could have been recording Ida Haendel instead of him in those days !

[richardfinegold]

JH's Unicorn recordings have been reissued...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Art-Jascha-Horenstein/dp/B00WJ5JGF4?ie=UTF8&keywords=horenstein&qid=1458746813&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

http://www.scribendumrecordings.com/...nstein/9676694

Good to know; I have all of those already.

[richardfinegold]

I ordered another Pristine issue, a >2 hour Monteux broadcast (Tanglewood, 1958) reportedly in stereo (I'm a bit dubious, given the date, although the BSO label, RCA, had been using stereo with the Orchestra since 1954) featuring the
Beethoven VC (Berl Senofsky), Debussy Nocturnes, some Beethoven Overtures and Hindemith. Hopefully the results sonically will be comparable to the concert recording of the Mahler 5, although Tanglewood, which is essentially a barn plunked in a valley in the Berkshires is a notoriously poor venue to record.
It should be interesting. There is an all Tchaikovsky Concert from 1962 with Monteux, John Ogdon and the VPO that is one of the best recordings ever laid down, but the Musikvrien is a more enticing venue for engineers than Tanglewood.