Clemens Krauss

[Barbirollians]

There is a considerable difference between good men doing nothing and being an enthusiastic supporter of Nazism and Fascism like Goodall - I see no moral equivalence let alone from a person who assisted in the spiriting of Jewish refugees out of the country and someone who described the Holocaust as a BBC Jewish plot .

There is no moral equivalence at all - it was just an excuse for the troll to engage in his usual modus operandi of personal attacks .

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I think ahinton was referring to the Simon Wiesenthal quotation having originated in Edmund Burke's "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing", rather than to ts's signature.

[Beef Oven!]

There is a considerable difference between good men doing nothing and being an enthusiastic supporter of Nazism and Fascism like Goodall - I see no moral equivalence let alone from a person who assisted in the spiriting of Jewish refugees out of the country and someone who described the Holocaust as a BBC Jewish plot .

There is no moral equivalence at all - it was just an excuse for the troll to engage in his usual modus operandi of personal attacks .

Actually, your posts that you regularly make on Goodall are dictionary definition examples of trolling, not my posts. You are the troll, not me. Can't you understand that?

Can you not also see that although Goodall's alleged comments on Jews and his relationship with the BUF are, IMV despicable, he has different, but comparable 'fellows in crime' in musicians who played ball with the Third Reich? If I leave it to you to work out which is the most dangerous and sinister, you get it wrong.

The simple point is that if you insist on mixing politics with music as you do with Goodall, you must be consistent. If you leave the politics out, as I do, there is no problem.

[Barbirollians]

I think ahinton was referring to the Simon Wiesenthal quotation having originated in Edmund Burke's "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing", rather than to ts's signature.

I am sure that is the case and Burke's observation remains as valid today as ever . There is of course also a difference between doing nothing when something could be done and doing nothing when you are in no position to do anything . Let alone doing something under the guise of doing nothing as Krauss did .

[Beef Oven!]

I am sure that is the case and Burke's observation remains as valid today as ever . There is of course also a difference between doing nothing when something could be done and doing nothing when you are in no position to do anything . Let alone doing something under the guise of doing nothing as Krauss did .

You are either naive about how the Third Reich was able develop and behave the way that it did, or you are a very stubborn person.

[Beef Oven!]

I think ahinton was referring to the Simon Wiesenthal quotation having originated in Edmund Burke's "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing", rather than to ts's signature.

I'll add a smiley at the end next time!

[ahinton]

I think ahinton was referring to the Simon Wiesenthal quotation having originated in Edmund Burke's "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing", rather than to ts's signature.

I was indeed, although I hope that I also made it clear that there appears to be no incontrovertible evidence that Burke himself was the originator of this phrase.

[Beef Oven!]

I was indeed, although I hope that I also made it clear that there appears to be no incontrovertible evidence that Burke himself was the originator of this phrase.

I am aware of the Burke citation, but felt that Wiesenthal was more germane, given the context. But I also think teamsaint is underrated!

[HighlandDougie]

As the debate about the source got me wondering where it came from, this makes for interesting reading, albeit with nothing whatsoever to do with Austro-German conductors of a certain generation:

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/

[Beef Oven!]

As the debate about the source got me wondering where it came from, this makes for interesting reading, albeit with nothing whatsoever to do with Austro-German conductors of a certain generation:

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/

Looks fascinating - when I finish counting my dog's legs (assuming I've called his tail a leg), I'll have a proper read.

[ahinton]

As the debate about the source got me wondering where it came from, this makes for interesting reading, albeit with nothing whatsoever to do with Austro-German conductors of a certain generation:

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/

Yes, I've seen that one before when I was checking for the origins of that famous quote; the mind fair boggles, n'est-ce pas?!

[Barbirollians]

Returning to these Strauss recordings I was wondering fhgl if you ever got round to getting the box ? I was thinking today listening to the Ein Heldenleben what he might had he lived to record in stereo have made of Eine Alpensinfonie with that orchestra !

[Barbirollians]

16 CD box of all his Decca recordings now out on Eloquence.

[cloughie]

16 CD box of all his Decca recordings now out on Eloquence.

Inclusion of previously unreleasd on Decca CDs are tantalising but is that enough for 50% duplication for £70!

I see there are also 2 Knappertsbusch boxes.

[Petrushka]

Inclusion of previously unreleasd on Decca CDs are tantalising but is that enough for 50% duplication for £70!

I see there are also 2 Knappertsbusch boxes.

Yes, I've the same problem with the Krauss box, but will probably succumb in the end!

What is the problem with the Eloquence boxes? I managed to get the Knappertsbusch orchestral box from Amazon earlier this week but the opera edition is 'temporarily out of stock' while both the orchestral and opera box are out of stock at Presto.

I had to wait weeks for the Kubelik Eloquence box last year which had the same issue of non-availability. The trouble is they are usually trailed several months in advance and this non-availability issue needs sorting. Is it another Brexit 'benefit'?