Clemens Krauss

[Barbirollians]

Thanks for all the kind messages - Beef Oven is on ignore and has been for a very long time and I should not have fed the troll after someone unfortunately quoted his post .

[Beef Oven!]

Beef Oven is on ignore and has been for a very long time and I should not have fed the troll after someone unfortunately quoted his post .

That's not true - you have responded with childish sarcastic, deliberately provocative comments when I've mentioned Goodall on this forum; comments that add nothing to the discussion. And we have exchanged perfectly civil posts on a few other threads.

I'm pleased your hissy-fit is over, and I think it's best we both ignore one another. Keep to it though.

[Barbirollians]

It is an extraordinary thing about Krauss's conducting - is his terrific grasp of style . From the lilt of the Die Fledermaus to the amazing sense of balance in his Richard Strauss and a profound understanding of Brahms from just that 1930 recording of the Third Symphony and his immensely sympathetic accompaniment to Ferrier in the Alto Rhapsody .

[Hornspieler]

That's not true - you have responded with childish sarcastic, deliberately provocative comments when I've mentioned Goodall on this forum; comments that add nothing to the discussion. And we have exchanged perfectly civil posts on a few other threads.

I'm pleased your hissy-fit is over, and I think it's best we both ignore one another. Keep to it though.

So we should all throw out those wonderful recordings by Karajan with the Philharmonia and Berlin orchestras and those exquisite records of his wife, Elizabeth Schwarzkopf(who was a great friend of Adolf Hitler)?

"Keep Politics Out of Music!

[Barbirollians]

So we should all throw out those wonderful recordings by Karajan with the Philharmonia and Berlin orchestras and those exquisite records of his wife, Elizabeth Schwarzkopf(who was a great friend of Adolf Hitler)?

"Keep Politics Out of Music!

Don't feed the troll !

[cloughie]

So we should all throw out those wonderful recordings by Karajan with the Philharmonia and Berlin orchestras and those exquisite records of his wife, Elizabeth Schwarzkopf(who was a great friend of Adolf Hitler)?

"Keep Politics Out of Music!

I assume you mean Walter Legge, the Philharmonia's George Martin!

[Ferretfancy]

So we should all throw out those wonderful recordings by Karajan with the Philharmonia and Berlin orchestras and those exquisite records of his wife, Elizabeth Schwarzkopf(who was a great friend of Adolf Hitler)?

"Keep Politics Out of Music!

Of course not. Incidentally, Schwarzkopf was only 14 when Adolf came to power in 1933, and as he was pretty busy from 1939-45 it seems a bit unlikely that they had much time to develop the friendship.

[visualnickmos]

Of course not. Incidentally, Schwarzkopf was only 14 when Adolf came to power in 1933, and as he was pretty busy from 1939-45 it seems a bit unlikely that they had much time to develop the friendship.

Luckily this doesn't involve me, as I cannot abide Schwarzkopf's voice - however 'golden' it may be. Just hate the sound of it...

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I assume you mean Walter Legge, the Philharmonia's George Martin!

Of course not. Incidentally, Schwarzkopf was only 14 when Adolf came to power in 1933, and as he was pretty busy from 1939-45 it seems a bit unlikely that they had much time to develop the friendship.

- Schwarzkopf never met Hitler let alone being a "close friend" of his; she was, however, "patronised" by Goebbels (read "subject to that rancid goat's sexual attentions) like many other young women singers and actresses. This didn't help her career - she became stuck in a lower-rank opera house under Goebbels' jurisdiction who blocked her promotion to the Berlin Staatsoper (which was controlled by Goebbels' hated rival, Goering - whose sexual appetites lay elsewhere). She only escaped Goebbels' "attentions" by contracting TB; her doctor was a general in the SS, so Goebbels was unable to interfere. She might very well have devoutly wished that Politics would keep out of Music on many occasions.

As for the Krauss Strauss box - it's been in my wishlist (along with the Kempe) since it first appeared! I remember the bad effect the recordings had for years on my attitude to Strauss when I was a teenager: released in artificial stereo, and with particularly unpleasant and harsh sound, it put me off the Music for four or five years, until I managed to borrow cassettes of Karajan from the library. Never looked back.

[cloughie]

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- Schwarzkopf never met Hitler let alone being a "close friend" of his; she was, however, "patronised" by Goebbels (read "subject to that rancid goat's sexual attentions) like many other young women singers and actresses. This didn't help her career - she became stuck in a lower-rank opera house under Goebbels' jurisdiction who blocked her promotion to the Berlin Staatsoper (which was controlled by Goebbels' hated rival, Goering - whose sexual appetites lay elsewhere). She only escaped Goebbels' "attentions" by contracting TB; her doctor was a general in the SS, so Goebbels was unable to interfere. She might very well have devoutly wished that Politics would keep out of Music on many occasions.

At the time of Krauss' Eclipse recordings there were the equally cheap Reiner Victrola LPs - surprised you didn't go for them.

As for the Krauss Strauss box - it's been in my wishlist (along with the Kempe) since it first appeared! I remember the bad effect the recordings had for years on my attitude to Strauss when I was a teenager: released in artificial stereo, and with particularly unpleasant and harsh sound, it put me off the Music for four or five years, until I managed to borrow cassettes of Karajan from the library. Never looked back.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

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[richardfinegold]

Of course not. Incidentally, Schwarzkopf was only 14 when Adolf came to power in 1933, and as he was pretty busy from 1939-45 it seems a bit unlikely that they had much time to develop the friendship.

She had enough free time to bonk The Minister of Propoganda

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

She had enough free time to bonk The Minister of Propoganda

Or be bonked therefrom. These guys were total shits - our species (and, in particular, the male sex) at its very worst.

[cloughie]

Wwwwwwwwhat happened there?

My reply to You was why when the Krauss Eclipse issues were around, did you not go for the Reiner R Strauss issues on Victrola?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

My reply to Ferret was why when the Krauss Eclipse issues were around, he did not go for the Reiner R Strauss issues on Victrola?

Well, I dunno about Ferretf, but they weren't around in the shops that I looked in, nor do I remember them being in the library stocks. But also, having encountered the Eclipse recordings, I blamed the Music not the recording, and so avoided the repertoire altogether. It took my admiration for Herbie to persuade me to listen to it at all - and thereafter ...