Mahler 2

[Barbirollians]

My first Mahler in the concert hall was in October 1969 in Sheffield, with Barbirolli and the Halle doing Mahler 2. There was a 5 minute break after the first movement with no applause as the conductor left and then returned with the soloists - supposedly in line with the composers instructions. Do they ever do this nowadays?

it is not my favourite Mahler so only have a few recordings and I have always been content with Bruno Walter's late-fifties recording.

Lucky you VF - it is definitely something that I have heard about before but I do not know if anyone still follows this idea .

[ahinton]

My first Mahler in the concert hall was in October 1969 in Sheffield, with Barbirolli and the Halle doing Mahler 2. There was a 5 minute break after the first movement with no applause as the conductor left and then returned with the soloists - supposedly in line with the composers instructions. Do they ever do this nowadays?

Not as far as I am aware; the instruction for the 5 minute break was, I believe in the original score but, whilst the composer seemed to feel that it was necessary at the time, I doubt that he would have continued with it at a time when audiences had become accustomed not only to it but also to his later symphonies.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

The instruction is in the published score: Hier folgt eine Pause von mindestens 5 minutes ("An Interval of at least five minutes now follows") - Mahler seeming to see the First Movement as the first "Act" of a two-Act quasi-Music Drama. (He would probably have expected - or, at any rate, wanted - applause, though.)

[cloughie]

Walter's Mahler 2 - minimalised - his 2 piano arrangement - well worth a listen. Apparently the arrangement was done in collaboration with Mahler.

[gurnemanz]

The instruction is in the published score: Hier folgt eine Pause von mindestens 5 minutes ("An Interval of at least five minutes now follows") - Mahler seeming to see the First Movement as the first "Act" of a two-Act quasi-Music Drama. (He would probably have expected - or, at any rate, wanted - applause, though.)

Mahler was a well-known coffee addict.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Mahler was a well-known coffee addict.

Actually, IIRC, it was after the premier of the Resurrection that Mahler needed surgery for his haemorrhoids - the "five minutes" may have been taken up with other matters!

[Bryn]

Actually, IIRC, it was after the premier of the Resurrection that Mahler needed surgery for his haemorrhoids - the "five minutes" may have been taken up with other matters!

A coffee enema?

[BBMmk2]

Sir Simon Rattle's recording, really got me into this work, then, Solti but finally Abbado. I might go back to the Solti soon.

[Bryn]

Sir Simon Rattle's recording, really got me into this work, then, Solti but finally Abbado. I might go back to the Solti soon.

Which Solti, Chicago or London?

[mahlerei]

Recent Mahler 2s that have impressed me include Chailly's with the LGO (Accentus DVD/Blu-ray) abd Simone Young's (Oehms). The classic Klemperer has been very well remastered; it's part of Warner's OK Mahler box.

[visualnickmos]

Which Solti, Chicago or London?

That's what I want to know too!

Come on, BBM - do tell.....

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I thought he meant "Georg".

[ahinton]

I thought he meant "Georg".

!!! So did I, funnily enough...

[visualnickmos]

!!! So did I, funnily enough...

He ain't tellin'!

[Barbirollians]

Perhaps it was both ?

I only have Solti's 8th so am looking forward to hearing the LSO Mahler 2