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  • Petrushka
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    • Nov 2010
    • 12256

    #61
    Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
    Hi Petrushka. The disc plays fine in all my other CD players which includes the car, the little cheapie machine in the kitchen, the bedside cd machine, (which I got from writing a 'letter of the month' in Gramophone!) and two other Sacd machines including a £7,000 Macintosh which belongs to a (rich!) friend.


    So yes, obviously, my main Quad machine would appear to be at fault. However, the Quad machine is only 14 months old and has already played hundreds if not thousands of CDs with no problem at all. This includes charity shop CDs which are not always in the best condition. (Although I always clean them before use). This Honeck cd is the ONLY cd it's rejected. The Quad is not an sacd machine but happily plays the other sacds I have.

    It's very peculiar.
    That's an impressive number of alternative CD players to hand! I only have my DVD player as another source should my main player pack in.

    As you say, most peculiar.
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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    • pastoralguy
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      • Nov 2010
      • 7763

      #62
      Many thanks for your interest, chaps.

      It's not the end of the world since I'm hardly short of Beethoven 5 & 7s!

      The record company were very pro active and offered me a free download but they had only one other problem with a different title.

      I'll maybe write Quad a wee note and see if they can offer any help. I'm more intrigued as to why this one particular title won't play.

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      • jayne lee wilson
        Banned
        • Jul 2011
        • 10711

        #63
        A chapess writes....

        AS I offered above (#8,#14) it would be fascinating to try this disc with a green CD mat on top of it.. it can work, and it's very unlikely to do any harm.... you could check about mats with Quad first, if it's that embarrassment-factor stopping you....

        Did you finally ascertain exactly what type of transport is in the Quad?

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        • pastoralguy
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          • Nov 2010
          • 7763

          #64
          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
          A chapess writes....

          AS I offered above (#8,#14) it would be fascinating to try this disc with a green CD mat on top of it.. it can work, and it's very unlikely to do any harm.... you could check about mats with Quad first, if it's that embarrassment-factor stopping you....

          Did you finally ascertain exactly what type of transport is in the Quad?
          I used to use a green mat with my Meridian machine but I do worry about mucking up the mechanism on the Quad.
          I dropped Quad a friendly note telling them about this problem so let's see what they say.

          Amazon have, predictably, been very helpful and have given me a full refund so I'll post the cd back tomorrow. (I now have £14.50 burning a hole in my pocket! )

          I MAY purchase this cd again in the future when the price drops or just wait until it turns up in a charity shop.

          A very odd chapter in PG's cd collecting history!

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          • Barbirollians
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            • Nov 2010
            • 11706

            #65
            Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
            I used to use a green mat with my Meridian machine but I do worry about mucking up the mechanism on the Quad.
            I dropped Quad a friendly note telling them about this problem so let's see what they say.

            Amazon have, predictably, been very helpful and have given me a full refund so I'll post the cd back tomorrow. (I now have £14.50 burning a hole in my pocket! )

            I MAY purchase this cd again in the future when the price drops or just wait until it turns up in a charity shop.

            A very odd chapter in PG's cd collecting history!
            Did you ever get a reply from Quad PG?

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            • Cockney Sparrow
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              • Jan 2014
              • 2285

              #66
              There js some comment elsewhere, in the last week, about some Reference recordings being withdrawn from Streaming services & in particulare a Pittsburgh SO recording. Not sure if this the case with this recording (its not on Google Play Music at the moment, not sure if it had been there). Apparently there is a rights issue to be sorted with the players.

              However, it remains on Naxos Music Library if you can get that (see here #21 - http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...ary#post553507

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              • richardfinegold
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                • Sep 2012
                • 7668

                #67
                Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                There js some comment elsewhere, in the last week, about some Reference recordings being withdrawn from Streaming services & in particulare a Pittsburgh SO recording. Not sure if this the case with this recording (its not on Google Play Music at the moment, not sure if it had been there). Apparently there is a rights issue to be sorted with the players.

                However, it remains on Naxos Music Library if you can get that (see here #21 - http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...ary#post553507
                I read somewhere, I think in a Canadian Audiophile magazine that comes out somewhat irregularly, that there were some issues with that particular disc.

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                • pastoralguy
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7763

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                  Did you ever get a reply from Quad PG?
                  Yes I did! They were sympathetic but felt that, occasionally, one was going to come across a cd that wouldn't play. It's just 'one of those things'. It's the first time in 30 years it's happened so one is pretty good going.

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                  • pastoralguy
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7763

                    #69
                    Another odd occurrence this last week!

                    I'm very lucky in that the area I live in Edinburgh has a road with an impressive collection of charity shops. It's in a very affluent area of the city so classical CDs tend to be plentiful. Recently, I found and bought over 50 Beecham CDs that had been distributed between 3 shops. (A pound a pop!)

                    The first one I played was a recording of Beecham conducting the Beethoven 'Missa Solemnis' from 1937 on the Somm label. I was appalled when it miss-tracked after the first 5 seconds. Oh help - don't say they are ALL going to be like that, I thought. However, all the other discs I've heard have been fine.

                    Predictably, the faulty disc played fine in my other cheaper machines and, last night, my rich friend's Mackintosh machine played it faultlessly! (Sounding pretty terrific for a test pressing that was made almost 80 years ago!) So, once again, my Quad 'Elite' player has rejected a cd. I'm not THAT bothered since the Beecham MS isn't a disc I'd be likely to play that often.

                    However, what's really strange is that when I went to visit my friend last night, there was a cd of Lynn Harrell playing the Dvorak 'Cello concerto in his bin. "Should that be there?", I asked. "Alas, yes", he replied. " I bought that cd in Cornwall in a second hand bookshop but my CD player has rejected it".

                    Well, I dug it out, brought it home and, after a good clean, it plays fine in my Quad machine! Most odd.
                    Last edited by pastoralguy; 28-07-16, 22:30.

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                    • Ferretfancy
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3487

                      #70
                      Sorry to stray from topic. I sometimes wonder whether the sound quality of SACD compatible CDs is compromised. I don't have an SACD player, but my Meridian 500 series machine gives excellent results on standard CD. Listening to the CD layer of an SACD disc, I notice a slightly steely quality, just a slight feeling of discomfort. I can cite a good example with the Suzuki recordings of Bach cantatas, where earlier discs in the series are smoother to my ears than the later ones which are SACD compatible.

                      Does anybody else notice an effect of this kind, or is it my imagination? Interestingly, Meridian claim that they do not support SACD, although they were pioneers of surround sound using ambisonic techniques.

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                      • pastoralguy
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7763

                        #71
                        I've just ordered this Honeck / Beethoven 5&7 cd again in the hope that maybe this one'll work!

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                        • Alison
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 6459

                          #72
                          Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                          I've just ordered this Honeck / Beethoven 5&7 cd again in the hope that maybe this one'll work!
                          I'm feeling quite nervous on your behalf! Good luck Pasters.

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                          • pastoralguy
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7763

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Alison View Post
                            I'm feeling quite nervous on your behalf! Good luck Pasters.
                            Thanks, Alison.

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                            • Petrushka
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12256

                              #74
                              Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                              I've just ordered this Honeck / Beethoven 5&7 cd again in the hope that maybe this one'll work!
                              Good luck! Keep us informed!
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • Barbirollians
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11706

                                #75
                                I also hope all goes well this time PG - I think they are top notch performances - especially of the Seventh which I had become slightly jaded with .

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