Saint-Saëns Piano Concertos (inc Louis Schwizgebel in Nos 2 & 5)

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  • Belgrove
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    • Nov 2010
    • 938

    #16
    Chamayou in 2 & (especially) 5 sparkles.

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    • richardfinegold
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      • Sep 2012
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      #17
      I don’t feel the need for multiple sets of Saint Sean’s PCs, entertaining though they may be. I’ve had Roge and the father and son Kantorows sparkles in comparison, with a much better recording

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      • rauschwerk
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        • Nov 2010
        • 1481

        #18
        My view is not as extreme as that of Alfred Cortot, who reputedly was dismissive of the whole set except the fourth. Even so, I only bother with that one these days. There is some really grotty woodwind chording in the Rogé version. Hough/Oramo is fine and I see no need for another version.

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        • Dave2002
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          • Dec 2010
          • 18015

          #19
          Here is a YT of number 5:

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          • Barbirollians
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            • Nov 2010
            • 11680

            #20
            Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
            I don’t feel the need for multiple sets of Saint Sean’s PCs, entertaining though they may be. I’ve had Roge and the father and son Kantorows sparkles in comparison, with a much better recording
            I wouldn't be without Jeanne Marie Darre's set as a complement to modern recordings. Other fine recent CDs of some of these concertos I have enjoyed a lot are the Chamayou mentioned above and Louis Schwizgebel also in 1 and 2. I recall Caliban /Nick being very taken with those too.

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            • Nick Armstrong
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              • Nov 2010
              • 26533

              #21
              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
              I wouldn't be without Jeanne Marie Darre's set as a complement to modern recordings. Other fine recent CDs of some of these concertos I have enjoyed a lot are the Chamayou mentioned above and Louis Schwizgebel also in 1 and 2. I recall Caliban /Nick being very taken with those too.

              Yes I was! But I didn’t know about this new BIS recording and am grateful to you for posting about it: will be listening asap thanks to Qobuz
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
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                #22
                Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post

                Yes I was! But I didn’t know about this new BIS recording and am grateful to you for posting about it: will be listening asap thanks to Qobuz
                I don't know what I am talking about Schwizgebel was in 2 and 5 not 1 and 2. He seems to have parted company with Apart however as he has not made a recording since 2016 though I see he is performing at North Norfolk Festival this August.

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                • Nick Armstrong
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26533

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                  I don't know what I am talking about Schwizgebel was in 2 and 5 not 1 and 2. He seems to have parted company with Apart however as he has not made a recording since 2016

                  Yes you’re quite right, just a Schubert sonata recording the year after the Saint-Saens, then nothing…

                  I was intrigued that the concertos were recorded with the BBC Symphony Orchestra, and the booklet reveals that they were actually R3 recordings:



                  One of those one-off deals, presumably
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • Barbirollians
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    That's interesting - I do recall a CD followed of performances that had been recorded the year before of Beethoven 1 and 2 with Thierry Fischer conducting. I did not enjoy that record as much though very much due to a dull accompaniment rather than any deficiency in Schwizgebel's playing.

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                    • Dave2002
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 18015

                      #25
                      Here is no 2 - but note the piano tuning - which clearly hasn't been done well. Obvious around 10 - 12 seconds in.



                      Maybe doesn't matter too much as a one off. Sounds a bit like our piano which is still in need of a tune up!

                      Shame really.

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                      • Barbirollians
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post

                        Yes you’re quite right, just a Schubert sonata recording the year after the Saint-Saens, then nothing…

                        I was intrigued that the concertos were recorded with the BBC Symphony Orchestra, and the booklet reveals that they were actually R3 recordings:




                        One of those one-off deals, presumably

                        It seems at a time that he was a BBC New Generations Artist . I imagine that his record company were impressed enough to license it otherwise the performances might have turned up on a BBCMM cover CD.

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                        • Barbirollians
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                          Here is no 2 - but note the piano tuning - which clearly hasn't been done well. Obvious around 10 - 12 seconds in.



                          Maybe doesn't matter too much as a one off. Sounds a bit like our piano which is still in need of a tune up!

                          Shame really.
                          This is not the performance on the BIS recording - the works on the recording are with the Tapiola Sinfonietta and with an impeccably tuned piano.

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                          • Nick Armstrong
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26533

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                            he was a BBC New Generations Artist
                            Ah yes, that doubtless had something to do with it.

                            He has an occasional and engaging presence on social media, e.g.,




                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • neiltingley
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                              • Sep 2011
                              • 121

                              #29
                              Chamayou. Seconded. He's a fabulous pianist.

                              His Liszt Annees is truly excellent.

                              He's just recorded Vingt Regards.

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26533

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                                I don't know what I am talking about Schwizgebel was in 2 and 5 not 1 and 2. He seems to have parted company with Apart however as he has not made a recording since 2016 though I see he is performing at North Norfolk Festival this August.

                                … and Monsieur Schwizgebel is playing live on In Tune later today by way of a trailer for the festival…
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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