Tennstedt Live Resurrection - another one!

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  • mathias broucek
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    • Nov 2010
    • 1303

    Tennstedt Live Resurrection - another one!

    The LPO label has issued a box of live Tennstedt Maher. Interestingly it includes TWO versions of #2 - the 1989 one which so many of us were overwhelmed by and another from 1981



    Has anyone bitten yet?

    I would strongly recommend the set on the basis on the performances of 1, 2 (1989), 6 and 8 (same as EMI DVD). However there's no sign on the LPO site or Amazon that the 1981 performance is being issued separately which is frustrating for Tennstedt admirers who will have the other discs already.... Grrrrrrr!
  • Petrushka
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    • Nov 2010
    • 12333

    #2
    Sorry, Laurie Watt, if you are looking in but I found myself pretty dismayed at this tactic which is so reminiscent of the old days when the 'majors' did much the same thing. I've assiduously collected all of the Tennstedt LPO label recordings as they've been issued so for a new one - and the Mahler Resurrection at that - to suddenly appear in a box with all of the others I've got is frustrating and a poor reward for loyalty.

    Will the 'new' Resurrection appear as a single issue? If so, all is forgiven. If not then, sorry, I won't be buying the box.
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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    • teamsaint
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      • Nov 2010
      • 25232

      #3
      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
      Sorry, Laurie Watt, if you are looking in but I found myself pretty dismayed at this tactic which is so reminiscent of the old days when the 'majors' did much the same thing. I've assiduously collected all of the Tennstedt LPO label recordings as they've been issued so for a new one - and the Mahler Resurrection at that - to suddenly appear in a box with all of the others I've got is frustrating and a poor reward for loyalty.

      Will the 'new' Resurrection appear as a single issue? If so, all is forgiven. If not then, sorry, I won't be buying the box.
      if this is deliberate, or even a careless oversight, it is very poor, Pet. Hopefully the label will issue the single disc.

      Completists often get taken for a ride by record labels, sadly, and have done for a long time.
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • mathias broucek
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        • Nov 2010
        • 1303

        #4
        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        Completists often get taken for a ride by record labels, sadly, and have done for a long time.
        Perhaps I'm naive but I'd assumed that these Orchestra-owned labels would behave better towards their fanbase than "major" record companies who are accountable to stock-holders or PE houses.....

        I did have a look to see if it could be had as a lossless download anywhere but couldn't see it yet.

        Have just commented (politely) on the LPO Facebook* page. Perhaps others would like to do the same?

        * A convenient way for friends and organisations to share things online, Your Honour

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        • Petrushka
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          • Nov 2010
          • 12333

          #5
          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
          Completists often get taken for a ride by record labels, sadly, and have done for a long time.
          Yes, remember in the LP days when you'd collect each disc of an on-going symphony cycle then find he final issue appeared ONLY as part of a boxed set of the complete cycle?
          I haven't noticed that happening with CD issues except in a different guise whereby some enticing 'never before released on CD' issues appear in a small box called something like 'The Art of Bernard Haitink', then one or two of them pop up again with fresh enticing 'never before released on CD' issues in a bigger box called something like 'Bernard Haitink: The Philips Years', then a few months later you get all of those plus others not included in the other boxes in a mammoth box called something like 'Bernard Haitink Symphony Edition'.

          It's a racket and we all fall for it don't we?
          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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          • LaurieWatt
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            • Nov 2010
            • 205

            #6
            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
            Sorry, Laurie Watt, if you are looking in but I found myself pretty dismayed at this tactic which is so reminiscent of the old days when the 'majors' did much the same thing. I've assiduously collected all of the Tennstedt LPO label recordings as they've been issued so for a new one - and the Mahler Resurrection at that - to suddenly appear in a box with all of the others I've got is frustrating and a poor reward for loyalty.

            Will the 'new' Resurrection appear as a single issue? If so, all is forgiven. If not then, sorry, I won't be buying the box.
            This release has been meant mainly for the Japanese market who completely revere Klaus Tennstedt and the LPO were wary of issuing it separately in the UK as they assumed, quite wrongly, clearly, with Boarders, that there would not be sufficient demand to justify releasing separately the earlier performance by itself which was only recorded off air by me, admittedly on high quality equipment, but not professionally done as was the great 1989 performance. So it is really a sort of bonus to the set.

            I suggest that the more people who write in or comment on the website the better as it might encourage them to an individual release.

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            • mathias broucek
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1303

              #7
              Originally posted by LaurieWatt View Post
              This release has been meant mainly for the Japanese market who completely revere Klaus Tennstedt and the LPO were wary of issuing it separately in the UK as they assumed, quite wrongly, clearly, with Boarders, that there would not be sufficient demand to justify releasing separately the earlier performance by itself which was only recorded off air by me, admittedly on high quality equipment, but not professionally done as was the great 1989 performance. So it is really a sort of bonus to the set.

              I suggest that the more people who write in or comment on the website the better as it might encourage them to an individual release.
              Thanks for troubling to respond Laurie!

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              • Petrushka
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                • Nov 2010
                • 12333

                #8
                Originally posted by LaurieWatt View Post
                This release has been meant mainly for the Japanese market who completely revere Klaus Tennstedt and the LPO were wary of issuing it separately in the UK as they assumed, quite wrongly, clearly, with Boarders, that there would not be sufficient demand to justify releasing separately the earlier performance by itself which was only recorded off air by me, admittedly on high quality equipment, but not professionally done as was the great 1989 performance. So it is really a sort of bonus to the set.

                I suggest that the more people who write in or comment on the website the better as it might encourage them to an individual release.
                Thanks for your input, Laurie, much appreciated.

                I saw Tennstedt for the first time in October 1979 (Mahler 3) and it was immediately apparent that he was a conductor of genius, a fact that was borne out over the times I managed to attend his concerts over the next 12 years or so. It is little surprise that the Japanese completely revere him as I do so myself! I recall so clearly meeting him after that incredible Mahler 5 in 1988 (the one issued both on CD and DVD) when he seemingly came back from the dead. After the concert, he was still a total bag of nerves, pacing the room, wringing his hands and cigarette ill-advisedly in mouth but clearly a conductor of genius who had just lived every note as if it was a personal statement of faith. Who knows what he would have gone on to give us had he lived a decade or so longer?

                I can recognise the reasons you give for not issuing the disc separately but anything at all from Tennstedt is to be treasured. Dammit, I might even talk myself into buying the box anyway!
                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                • Alison
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6475

                  #9
                  It looks a very desirable box doesn't it? Duplication a tad annoying but all part of the collector's lot surely.

                  Just to be clear, is the performance of the Sixth the Proms one?

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                  • Petrushka
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12333

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Alison View Post
                    Just to be clear, is the performance of the Sixth the Proms one?
                    A good question, Alison. There is a Mahler 6 that the BBC broadcast live from the RFH (on Radio 4) in March 1983 at which I was present and which, as far as I know, has never seen the light of day since. I was also present at that unforgettable 1983 Prom and I'd be pretty sure that this one is retained in the box. A later one from 1991 appeared on EMI.

                    Perhaps Laurie Watt can confirm the existence or otherwise of a tape of the March 1983 performance?
                    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                    • cloughie
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                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22206

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LaurieWatt View Post
                      This release has been meant mainly for the Japanese market who completely revere Klaus Tennstedt and the LPO were wary of issuing it separately in the UK as they assumed, quite wrongly, clearly, with Boarders, that there would not be sufficient demand to justify releasing separately the earlier performance by itself which was only recorded off air by me, admittedly on high quality equipment, but not professionally done as was the great 1989 performance. So it is really a sort of bonus to the set.

                      I suggest that the more people who write in or comment on the website the better as it might encourage them to an individual release.
                      OK then chuck it our way for a £5 for the loyal fans!

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                      • Petrushka
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12333

                        #12
                        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                        OK then chuck it our way for a £5 for the loyal fans!
                        Crowd-funding anyone?
                        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                        • mathias broucek
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1303

                          #13
                          The live EMI 6th is quite something.....

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                          • Alison
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 6475

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                            The live EMI 6th is quite something.....
                            Yes, the LPO had become a better orchestra by that time.

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                            • Petrushka
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12333

                              #15
                              Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                              The live EMI 6th is quite something.....
                              My disc of the 7th that accompanied that 6th in the original 1995 EMI box has unaccountably shattered rendering it unplayable. Goodness knows how that has happened...
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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