Indispensable recordings 20.07.2024. Proms Composer 1: Verdi

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  • Mandryka
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    • Feb 2021
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    #16
    Originally posted by smittims View Post
    I'd say

    The Columbia Callas/Serafin Rigoletto
    The Columbia/Karajan Falstaff
    The Decca/Karajan Vienna Opera Aida
    The HMV Karajan/ Vickers Otello
    The Fricsay DG Requiem
    Is it true really true that there are no indispensable recordings of Don Carlos?

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    • Ein Heldenleben
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      • Apr 2014
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      #17
      Originally posted by Mandryka View Post

      Is it true really true that there are no indispensable recordings of Don Carlos?
      I thought we had to restrict ourselves to 5 recordings. There are pretty indispensable recordings of all the major works aren’t there? I see Smittims has three indispensable Karajans.He could have added his Don Carlos as well

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      • Mandryka
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        • Feb 2021
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        #18
        Here are my five then

        Marie Claire Alain's first Art of Fugue (Musical Heritage Society)
        Gustav Leonhardt's second Art of Fugue (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi)
        Matteo Messori's Art of Fugue
        Rudof Scheidegger's Art of Fugue
        Wolfgang Rubsam's third Art of Fugue (Counterpoint Records)
        Håkan Wikman's Art of Fugue

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        • Ein Heldenleben
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          • Apr 2014
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          #19
          Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
          Here are my five then

          Marie Claire Alain's first Art of Fugue (Musical Heritage Society)
          Gustav Leonhardt's second Art of Fugue (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi)
          Matteo Messori's Art of Fugue
          Rudof Scheidegger's Art of Fugue
          Wolfgang Rubsam's third Art of Fugue (Counterpoint Records)
          Håkan Wikman's Art of Fugue
          Yes but who’s the composer ?

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          • Mandryka
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            • Feb 2021
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            #20
            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

            Yes but who’s the composer ?
            If you don't know you don't need to know.

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            • Pulcinella
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              • Feb 2014
              • 10895

              #21
              Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
              Here are my five then

              Marie Claire Alain's first Art of Fugue (Musical Heritage Society)
              Gustav Leonhardt's second Art of Fugue (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi)
              Matteo Messori's Art of Fugue
              Rudof Scheidegger's Art of Fugue
              Wolfgang Rubsam's third Art of Fugue (Counterpoint Records)
              Håkan Wikman's Art of Fugue
              Oops! Thread title now amended to make clear.
              I don't think this concept warrants a sub-forum but I plan on starting a thread each week during the 2024 Proms as the Proms Composer gets named.
              OK?

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              • Ein Heldenleben
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                • Apr 2014
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                #22
                Originally posted by Mandryka View Post

                If you don't know you don't need to know.
                I do - it was a failed attempt at humour clearly.
                Can you perhaps offer a Verdi fugue?

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                  I do - it was a failed attempt at humour clearly.
                  Can you perhaps offer a Verdi fugue?
                  There's a fugue of sorts (more a fugato) in the Quam olim Abrahae section of the creepy Requiem!

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                  • Ein Heldenleben
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                    • Apr 2014
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                    There's a fugue of sorts (more a fugato) in the Quam olim Abrahae section of the creepy Requiem!
                    Yes I thought there might be one in the Requiem - and a micro fugue at the end of Falstaff in Tutto Nel Mundo e Burla in Falstaff . Other than that I’m stumped - maybe one in the Four Sacred Pieces ?

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                    • Pulcinella
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                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10895

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                      Yes I thought there might be one in the Requiem - and a micro fugue at the end of Falstaff in Tutto Nel Mundo e Burla in Falstaff . Other than that I’m stumped - maybe one in the Four Sacred Pieces ?
                      Doesn't look like it:



                      I'm amused by the Te Deum being scored for a short soprano though.

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                      • Ein Heldenleben
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                        • Apr 2014
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                        Doesn't look like it:



                        I'm amused by the Te Deum being scored for a short soprano though.
                        Wonderful pieces long or short !

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                        • LHC
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                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1556

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                          Yes I thought there might be one in the Requiem - and a micro fugue at the end of Falstaff in Tutto Nel Mundo e Burla in Falstaff . Other than that I’m stumped - maybe one in the Four Sacred Pieces ?
                          The Sanctus in the Requiem is an 8 part fugue for double chorus and there is another fugue towards the end of the Libera Me.
                          "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
                          Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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                          • LHC
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                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1556

                            #28
                            My five indispensable Verdi recordings are probably

                            Simon Boccanegra, La Scala, Abbado, Freni, Cappuccilli, Carreras

                            La Traviata, Kleiber, Cotrubas, Domingo

                            Il Trovatore, Karajan, Callas, Di Stefano, Panerai

                            Macbeth, La Scala, Abbado, Verrett, Cappuccilli, Domingo

                            Ernani, La Scala, Muti, Freni, Domingo, Bruson, Ghiaurov
                            "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
                            Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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                            • makropulos
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1669

                              #29
                              It's difficult not to opt for the whole of the Toscanini Verdi box on RCA – particularly for the incomparable Falstaff and Otello and for wonderful non-operatic things like the 'Te Deum'. But I know that these programmes aren't intended as 'historical' surveys. Given that, and going only for stereo recordings, here are five which I play often and with great pleasure:

                              Traviata, Kleiber/Cotrubas (DG)
                              Aida, Solti/Leontyne Price (Decca)
                              Falstaff, Solti/Geraint Evans (Decca)
                              Trovatore, Pappano/Gheorghiu (EMI/Warner)
                              Rigoletto, Giulini/Cotrubas, Domingo (DG)

                              But these are tough choices – there's a lot of great Verdi and it would be easy to come up with another five that are just as 'indispensable' (Giulini's Don Carlos, one of the Karajan Trovatores, Pappano's Requiem...and so on).

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                              • Barbirollians
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11671

                                #30
                                Trovatore - Callas /Karajan

                                One of Callas's sadly all ropey sounding Traviatas - probably just the Giulini

                                Callas/Rigoletto

                                Don Carlos - Domngo/Caballe. Giulini

                                Macbeth - Abbado

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