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  • mathias broucek
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    • Nov 2010
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    Wand / Lubeck Cathedral

    Although the sheer volume of Gunter Wand Bruckner got a bit silly towards the end, his Lubeck Cathedral recordings of the 8th and 9th are incredibly well regarded. I had the 9th on cassette and it was a fabulous performance - IIRC it won the last-but-one BAL on the 9th.

    The second-hand versions go for silly prices but the performances have at last been re-issued. Stupidly, the cover doesn't refer to Lubeck Cathedral but the wonderful abruckner.com site reckons they are the same performance.

  • Karafan
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    • Nov 2010
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    #2
    Excellent notification - thanks for that Mathias

    I have the originals and they certainly live up to their starry reputation!

    Karafan
    "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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    • richardfinegold
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      • Sep 2012
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      #3
      Are these the same recordings that were issued by Sony recently in a budget box?

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      • HighlandDougie
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        Thanks you also, MB, for the heads-up. I gave away my original copies in an ill-advised purge of Bruckner CDs - and have regretted it ever since so delighted to have been able to order them from CD-Japan (on whose website I unfortunately also noticed a tranche of newly released Bernard Haitink Philips recordings on SHM-CD, including his Messiaen/Takemitsu and BPO Mahler 3rd).

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        • mathias broucek
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          • Nov 2010
          • 1303

          #5
          Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
          Are these the same recordings that were issued by Sony recently in a budget box?
          There have been various budget boxes, but most of them contain his complete set with the Cologne RSO - see below. The Lubeck performances are with the NDR Symphony (Hamburg) as are many of his later live Bruckner recordings. There's also a series of the best-known Bruckner symphonies with Wand conducting the BPO.





          Just to add confusion, there was a 33(?) CD box of his live recordings including the Lubeck material.. This includes LOTS of duplication of repertoire and seems not to be widely available

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          • richardfinegold
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            • Sep 2012
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            #6
            Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
            There have been various budget boxes, but most of them contain his complete set with the Cologne RSO - see below. The Lubeck performances are with the NDR Symphony (Hamburg) as are many of his later live Bruckner recordings. There's also a series of the best-known Bruckner symphonies with Wand conducting the BPO.





            Just to add confusion, there was a 33(?) CD box of his live recordings including the Lubeck material.. This includes LOTS of duplication of repertoire and seems not to be widely available
            The Lubeck Cathedral 9 was not my introduction to Bruckner but it did make me a Brucknerian. I bought the (ridiculously cheap) Sony box set thinking it was the same but it didn't quite have the same magic
            Last edited by richardfinegold; 20-05-15, 19:34.

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            • mathias broucek
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              • Nov 2010
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              #7
              Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
              The Lubeck Cathedral 9 was not my introduction to Bruckner but it did make a Brucknerian. I bought the (ridiculously cheap) Sony box set thinking it was the same but it didn't quite have the same magic
              It doesn't. The performances are good but aren't AS good as Wand's Lubeck performances or the BPO 4th and 8th.

              I heard him do the 9th live with the BBC SO quite late on. I'm getting goosebumps remembering how good it was: I thought I was going to have a heart attack in the first movement coda! Sadly the strings screwed-up the (admittedly difficult) opening of the Adagio so there's no chance of a commercial release....

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              • Karafan
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                • Nov 2010
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                #8
                If I remember correctly, didn't BaL drop a clanger with the 9th in that their recommended version was the much-vaunted Lübeck Cathedral recording, but they all-too-late realised that the only extant recording at that time was not that one, but one of his others and so they hurriedly changed their recommendation. I am glad to see it has now been restored to wider circulation and, doubtless, appreciation.

                K.
                "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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                • mathias broucek
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  This just arrived

                  Seems to be a Japanese pressing which is excellent news!!!

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                  • Barbirollians
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                    It doesn't. The performances are good but aren't AS good as Wand's Lubeck performances or the BPO 4th and 8th.

                    I heard him do the 9th live with the BBC SO quite late on. I'm getting goosebumps remembering how good it was: I thought I was going to have a heart attack in the first movement coda! Sadly the strings screwed-up the (admittedly difficult) opening of the Adagio so there's no chance of a commercial release....
                    Was that at the Proms 2001 ? With Schubert 8 in the first half ?

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                    • mathias broucek
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                      Was that at the Proms 2001 ? With Schubert 8 in the first half ?
                      It was that programme but at the RFH

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                      • Barbirollians
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                        It was that programme but at the RFH
                        Ah yes the proms archive says that on 24/8/2001 he played the same works with the NDR Symphony .

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                        • soileduk
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                          This just arrived

                          Seems to be a Japanese pressing which is excellent news!!!
                          My copy is en route from the far east, I didn't notice that the Swiss and Germans had stock …Doh!

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                          • Petrushka
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                            Ah yes the proms archive says that on 24/8/2001 he played the same works with the NDR Symphony .
                            I was present at that concert and yes it was indeed the NDR Symphony Orchestra. Unforgettable evening.
                            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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