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  • Ferretfancy
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    • Nov 2010
    • 3487

    Hype for Edward Gardner

    I've just been listening to a new Chandos disc of Walton's 2nd Symphony with the BBC SO and Edward Gardner. It's coupled with the Cello Concerto played by Paul Watkins, and the Improvisations on an Impromptu of Benjamin Britten.

    Has anybody here bought this disc?

    Gardner's earlier recording of the First Symphony was very highly praised by all the critics that I was able to read, but I'm afraid it was a disappointment when I heard it. I found it curiously underpowered, missing entirely that angry feeling and tension that this music should surely have. Nevertheless I decided to get the new disc, which has also received very enthusiastic reviews, and I have 'a bit of a history ' with Symphony No. 2

    The only word I can use to describe these performances is flaccid, and that goes for the over reverberant recording as well, in fact the extremely wide dynamic range doesn't help either. Quieter passages disappear into the haze, while climaxes sound congested. In the concerto, balanced at some distance, Paul Watkins seems to wander along, pleasant enough but not making much mark.

    For comparison, I listened to the Previn / LSO disc of the Improvisations on EMI, what a difference in orchestral execution and in beautifully transparent sound.

    As it happens there is a BBC recording of the concerto , also with Paul Watkins, made in 2005 and featuring the BBC Scottish SO conducted by Tuomas Hannikainen. This is a far more convincing performance issued as a cover disc with BBC MM, nicely balanced with much more attack,and lovely playing from the orchestra. In fact, I would rate this performance very highly indeed.

    I sometimes think that reviewers are too willing to praise the new without perhaps the opportunity to make any real comparisons, but even if they are unable to sample earlier performances, they should still be able to tell when a performance fails to come alive.Gardner has of course some impressive achievements, but not here I'm afraid. I sense a certain air of flavour of the month when reading the comments.

    Now I'll sit back and find that others like the performance better than I do!
  • jayne lee wilson
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    #2
    I didn't buy any of his Walton, but I got several of his Lutoslawski albums, and the Symanowski 4th, all in 24/96 on Chandos. Some of them are among the best ever readings of that repertoire, as is the CD of Mendelssohn 4 & 5. All these recordings come across brilliantly here - transparent, well-balanced, spacious acoustic presence etc.

    As for an "extremely wide dynamic range" - bring it on ​!
    (though I'll allow you might want Lord Copper in the room occasionally...)

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    • Ferretfancy
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      • Nov 2010
      • 3487

      #3
      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
      I didn't buy any of his Walton, but I got several of his Lutoslawski albums, and the Symanowski 4th, all in 24/96 on Chandos. Some of them are among the best ever readings of that repertoire, as is the CD of Mendelssohn 4 & 5. All these recordings come across brilliantly here - transparent, well-balanced, spacious acoustic presence etc.

      As for an "extremely wide dynamic range" - bring it on ​!
      (though I'll allow you might want Lord Copper in the room occasionally...)
      jayne

      I wholeheartedly agree about Gardner's Lutoslawski discs, they're terrific, as was his performance of the Concerto for Orchestra with the NYO at last year's Proms.

      I don't mind listening at high level, but in the Walton there is no real snap and thrust, while the climaxes sound opaque in comparison to earlier versions. One again I fear that on this occasion the engineers have done an elaborate mix down from too many mikes.

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      • makropulos
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1674

        #4
        Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
        I sometimes think that reviewers are too willing to praise the new without perhaps the opportunity to make any real comparisons, but even if they are unable to sample earlier performances, they should still be able to tell when a performance fails to come alive.Gardner has of course some impressive achievements, but not here I'm afraid. I sense a certain air of flavour of the month when reading the comments.

        Now I'll sit back and find that others like the performance better than I do!
        I agree. Gardner has done some really excellent things (among his Chandos records, Szymanowski certainly comes to mind), but I found the Walton 2 strangely underwhelming, and nowhere near as punchy or zestful as Szell or Mackerras. As for the Cello Concerto I need to be prised away from Piatigorsky/Munch who still do it for me in ways others don't quite match.

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        • Barbirollians
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          • Nov 2010
          • 11686

          #5
          Originally posted by makropulos View Post
          I agree. Gardner has done some really excellent things (among his Chandos records, Szymanowski certainly comes to mind), but I found the Walton 2 strangely underwhelming, and nowhere near as punchy or zestful as Szell or Mackerras. As for the Cello Concerto I need to be prised away from Piatigorsky/Munch who still do it for me in ways others don't quite match.
          Agreed that very cheap RCA 2 disc set including that and the Heifetz performance of the Violin Concerto and the rightly legendary Previn/LSO Walton 1 is one of the greatest bargains of the catalogue .

          I should put in a good word for Tortelier and Berglund too .

          In Walton 2 Szell remains head and shoulders above the others I have heard.

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          • Ferretfancy
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3487

            #6
            Originally posted by makropulos View Post
            I agree. Gardner has done some really excellent things (among his Chandos records, Szymanowski certainly comes to mind), but I found the Walton 2 strangely underwhelming, and nowhere near as punchy or zestful as Szell or Mackerras. As for the Cello Concerto I need to be prised away from Piatigorsky/Munch who still do it for me in ways others don't quite match.
            I absolutely agree, Piatigorsky is a desert island disc for me, as is the Szell version of the symphony and the Hindemith Variations. For personal reasons I'd like to hear the tape of the premiere of the symphony, as a nervous beginner I recorded it on a BTR2 tape machine at the BBC's Grafton Studio, using a music line feed from Liverpool. Perhaps it has been erased, but I do wonder!

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            • bluestateprommer
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3009

              #7
              Good news from the LPO, the announcement of their next Principal Conductor:



              I'd actually guessed that EG would get the nod after Jurowski, but didn't think to predict it publicly here. Given that Gardner led the LPO on its recent US tour, that seemed like a sign of things to come.

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              • Alison
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                • Nov 2010
                • 6455

                #8
                Missed this news until now. Initially surprised, on reflection I’d rate this a good appointment.

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                • Conchis
                  Banned
                  • Jun 2014
                  • 2396

                  #9
                  I’ve heard EG conduct and he’s the real deal.

                  Just becaue he’s British and has a boring name, it doesn’t automatically mean he’s crap.

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                  • jayne lee wilson
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 10711

                    #10
                    Since this thread began I've had the pleasure of getting to know Gardner's CBSO Mendelssohn Series recorded in Birmingham Town Hall, as interpretatively compelling, beautifully played & recorded as any on disc or file; as an obsessive Mendelssohn devotee, it goes straight into my top three or five...

                    And there was the Prom with an outstanding Britten Violin Concerto, James Ehnes the soloist. So I look forward to the next live (Prom 18) or recorded instalment very eagerly....!

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                    • makropulos
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1674

                      #11
                      EG's conducting of Kát'a Kabanová at the ROH earlier this year was magnificent, and any doubts I might have had about him before then (very few, I must say) were completely dispelled by a stunning performance (it was broadcast).

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #12
                        I think from Ferretf's #3 that a general "dissing" of Gardner wasn't intended in the OP from 4 years ago, and that it was the specific recording of the Walton #2 & 'cello Concerto - and, more specifically, the critical enthusiasm for it - that he found "hyped".

                        Certainly, from my own single experience of his Live work (a superb Elgar #1) I share the enthusiasm that oithers have expressed on his new appointment.
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • BBMmk2
                          Late Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          #13
                          To be honest, I’m a Gardner fan. I think some of his recordings like JLW has said are the very best. His Walton I find is very good indeed.

                          I seem to remember a Gramophone critic saying that perhaps he needs some more of life’s experiences to have a better understanding of these works.

                          He’s done very well so far. It’s great to see this as well.
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                          • cloughie
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                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22120

                            #14
                            I like his Elgar, which do well in a very strong field - my benchmarks are always Barbirolli and Thomson for the symphonies and also Barbirolli. Gardner’s very good in both Symphonies and the Int & All and Serenade, are a good modern recording to match Barbirolli from the 60s and Collins for the 50s. His LPO appointment is great - British conuctor to do some British music? With an orchestra with a strong tradition of recording British music.

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                            • Conchis
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 2396

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                              To be honest, I’m a Gardner fan. I think some of his recordings like JLW has said are the very best. His Walton I find is very good indeed.

                              I seem to remember a Gramophone critic saying that perhaps he needs some more of life’s experiences to have a better understanding of these works.

                              He’s done very well so far. It’s great to see this as well.
                              His torrid former relationship with the trumpeter Alison Balsam has surely provided him with all the life experience a man of his age needs....

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