BaL 9.04.11 - Beethoven: Violin Concerto

[Tony Halstead]

I've recently ordered the Kremer version with the Schnitke cadenza. ASMF/Marriner. Odd I don't have this one.

Watch out for ( listen out for) - or ignore it if you can - the low-frequency hum, annoyingly audible on my Philips CD and also on one owned by my son, but bafflingly absent on a friend's CD!

[visualnickmos]

........entry on Gilels states that he is from Odessa, on the Crimean Peninsula, which depending on the day of the week and on Putin's mood, is either part of Ukraine or Russia but again, not Latvia.

Odessa is in fact NOT on the Crimean peninsula; it is about 150 kms roughly north-west of Crimea (by sea) and firmly within Ukraine - for the moment at least

As an aside, David Oistrakh was from Odessa.

[richardfinegold]

Odessa is in fact NOT on the Crimean peninsula; it is about 150 kms roughly north-west of Crimea (by sea) and firmly within Ukraine - for the moment at least

As an aside, David Oistrakh was from Odessa.

You are correct . I must have had a brain cramp. One of my grandparents is from Odessa. He wasn't a musician but Odessa was famous for the large number of Jewish Violinists that migrated there from the Pale of Settlement, such as Nathan Milstein and Mischa Elman

[verismissimo]

You are correct . I must have had a brain cramp. One of my grandparents is from Odessa. He wasn't a musician but Odessa was famous for the large number of Jewish Violinists that migrated there from the Pale of Settlement, such as Nathan Milstein and Mischa Elman

... and (amongst others) Moiseiwitsch, Pachmann, Cherkassky, Barere and Richter (who studied there).

[visualnickmos]

You are correct . I must have had a brain cramp. One of my grandparents is from Odessa. He wasn't a musician but Odessa was famous for the large number of Jewish Violinists that migrated there from the Pale of Settlement, such as Nathan Milstein and Mischa Elman

Richard
Your knowledge of the musicians from Odessa is impressive. You say one of your grandparents is from Odessa - how fascinating, that is. I think I'm correct in thinking Odessa was generally a very creatively-oriented city - artists as well as composers.

[visualnickmos]

... and (amongst others) Moiseiwitsch, Pachmann, Cherkassky, Barere and Richter (who studied there).

.....anymore? There must be - the ball is rolling!

[richardfinegold]

.....anymore? There must be - the ball is rolling!

Tossy Spivakovsky ?

[verismissimo]

.....anymore? There must be - the ball is rolling!

Not generally remembered, the brothers Cherniavsky, three of whom (violinist Leo, cellist Mischel and pianist Jan) formed the Cherniavsky Trio. They were born in the 1890s and were playing publicly in their teens, becoming possibly the first professional touring piano trio - at least until someone finds an earlier one. Jan was a pupil of Leschetizky, Jan of Ysaye and Mischel of Popper.

They settled in London in 1906, and made their first extended tour of Australia and New Zealand two years later. They were to return there (and also South Africa) many times.

The trio recorded extensively from 1917 through the 20s for Victor, Columbia and Pathe, but I don't believe anything has re-appeared in LP, CD or download.

[visualnickmos]

Not generally remembered, the brothers Cherniavsky, three of whom (violinist Leo, cellist Mischel and pianist Jan) formed the Cherniavsky Trio. They were born in the 1890s and were playing publicly in their teens, becoming possibly the first professional touring piano trio - at least until someone finds an earlier one. Jan was a pupil of Leschetizky, Jan of Ysaye and Mischel of Popper.

They settled in London in 1906, and made their first extended tour of Australia and New Zealand two years later. They were to return there (and also South Africa) many times.

The trio recorded extensively from 1917 through the 20s for Victor, Columbia and Pathe, but I don't believe anything has re-appeared in LP, CD or download.

What an amazing story. The sheer volume of knowledge and little anecdotes, etc on these boards is a treasure trove. It must be unique.

[verismissimo]

What an amazing story. The sheer volume of knowledge and little anecdotes, etc on these boards is a treasure trove. It must be unique.

Thanks, vn. Of course it was Leo who was a pupil of Ysaye, not Jan. But what a pedigree for the three of them - from a very poor family in childhood.

[Barbirollians]

A visit to a charity shop found a copy of the Grumiaux/Davis for 50p . Case rather battered but CD fine . Grumiaux does play extraordinarily beautifully but it is all a bit cool for me - excellent performances of the Romances too .

[Lordgeous]

I have very fond memories of the Georg Kulenkampff recording (1936?) though I haven't heard it for years, and maybe its a bit too "historical" for the present discussion?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I have very fond memories of the Georg Kulenkampff recording (1936?) though I haven't heard it for years, and maybe its a bit too "historical" for the present discussion?

Not at all - if it is the recording you would single out (no doubt with great difficulty) then it is entirely apposite to the Thread.

[Barbirollians]

Not one I know . I do have the Huberman but couldn't quite understand the raving about his playing .

[richardfinegold]

A visit to a charity shop found a copy of the Grumiaux/Davis for 50p . Case rather battered but CD fine . Grumiaux does play extraordinarily beautifully but it is all a bit cool for me - excellent performances of the Romances too .

I agree. I picked that one up on Petatone, since they recorded in Quad. Pity, because I admire the Soloist and Conductor so much.