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  • Petrushka
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    • Nov 2010
    • 12382

    #16
    I had to wait a very long time to find that I actively and hugely hated a recording so much that I wanted to give it away. I've always been prepared to listen and learn and loath to ditch something I've bought but, at the risk of provoking a conflagration, it wasn't until I heard Norrington's Mahler 9 that I realised that if I never heard it again it would be too soon.

    I sold it on to Gramex so got something back from this ill-advised purchase. And in 45 years of collecting it's the only time I've done it.
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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    • umslopogaas
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 1977

      #17
      Tevot #11. In a rather strange way, I also like it. Its the exploratory tendency in my personality. I like to investigate things that arent exactly mainstream, or accepted. So 'Die Soldaten' is glowering on my shelves and daring anyone to take it on. I have some old friends visiting on Friday,I'm especially fond of one of them, and if I want them to leave on Friday in a hurry for the price of a meal in the pub, I know what to play them ...

      But I'm actually very fond of this lady, so I dont think I'll try to get her interested in Zimmermann.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #18
        Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
        Not that I think that it'll effect a damascene-type conversion, but, among the versions tried, have you heard this:



        Something of a revelation - and hugely enjoyable.
        I'm a huge admirer of van Immerseel (I really should diet) and I like the fillers, so I very well may seek this one out.
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • umslopogaas
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          • Nov 2010
          • 1977

          #19
          Tevot #11, I'm having another try, and thanks for the link to the opera, it makes a lot more sense when you can see the action as well as hear it. I'm giving the CDs another go as I write.

          But I still think it would be the quickest legal way of getting my old friend out of here when she next visits in a couple of days. And I'm very fond of her, so I dont think Zimmermann is on the agenda for the weekend.

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          • Barbirollians
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            • Nov 2010
            • 11843

            #20
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            I'm a huge admirer of van Immerseel (I really should diet) and I like the fillers, so I very well may seek this one out.
            If Monteux doesn't win your heart in this - who can ? Kletzki I suppose or perhaps the most indulgent and gorgeous recording of all Kondrashin

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            • cloughie
              Full Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 22227

              #21
              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
              If Monteux doesn't win your heart in this - who can ? Kletzki I suppose or perhaps the most indulgent and gorgeous recording of all Kondrashin
              To be honest there are loads for those for whom their candle is lit - there may indeed be 1001 ways to interpret it - two Ansermet recordings for starters but if you do not like the work then ....

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
                • 11843

                #22
                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                To be honest there are loads for those for whom their candle is lit - there may indeed be 1001 ways to interpret it - two Ansermet recordings for starters but if you do not like the work then ....
                Very true and Beecham of course and not forgetting Silvestri .

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                • richardfinegold
                  Full Member
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 7797

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                  If Monteux doesn't win your heart in this - who can ? Kletzki I suppose or perhaps the most indulgent and gorgeous recording of all Kondrashin

                  It's always been Reiner, with an incomparable group of players.
                  My wife has just fallen for the piece and plays this recording constantly. I'm not complaining.
                  I have Monteux, but it 's in mono, with the San Francisco SO.

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                  • Petrushka
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12382

                    #24
                    Reiner is superb of course, a truly great disc, but one that really will win you over to this wonderful piece is Rudolf Kempe and the RPO. It was a bold decision for Kempe to record the work with Beecham's old orchestra when Beecham himself had set down such a classic account but Kempe manages to pull it off.
                    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                      Reiner is superb of course, a truly great disc, but one that really will win you over to this wonderful piece is Rudolf Kempe and the RPO.
                      It really didn't; nor did Karajan, Kletzki, Beecham, Haitink, Ormandy nor even Reiner - though the brass playing in that recording was marvellously crisp I remember. It's not for the want of trying ...
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • Barbirollians
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11843

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        It really didn't; nor did Karajan, Kletzki, Beecham, Haitink, Ormandy nor even Reiner - though the brass playing in that recording was marvellously crisp I remember. It's not for the want of trying ...
                        I am sure HS would tell you to get the Silvestri !

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          I am sure HS would tell you to get the Silvestri !
                          - Now, I've not heard that one. In fact, it's been years since I last listened to the work, so a trip to Spotify may well be in order.

                          (I think I've also heard the Kondrashin - a very early CD release from Phillips with a horrible cover? I borrowed it from the local Library in the early '80s; didn't do the trick. )
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • Tevot
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1011

                            #28
                            Hello There,

                            Oddly enough - the very first record I didn't like was Mahler 9 (the Klemperer New Philharmonia recording). This was back in the day when I was still at school so we are talking over 30 years ago. IIRC my brother got it for me as a christmas present. The only movement that made any positive impression on me on the very first hearing was the Finale. The utterly superb first movement left me cold. I thought it impenetrable. I'm glad that I perservered, however, as the 9th is an absolutely glorious piece of music imho... in particular the deeply affecting andante comodo.

                            The next piece of music I didn't like was Ligeti's Requiem - borrowed from Bradford Central Library circa 1983 /84.The only bit I liked was the very end - i.e. the silence after all the screeching had stopped Indeed the Library was lucky to have the LP returned to them in one piece - as I had a strong notion during my listening "experience" to take a blow torch to the vinyl

                            It is a busy day today - what with spring cleaning, Wimbledon ,and Germany v France later on - but if I can find the time this afternoon I reckon I'll type the words "Ligeti" and "Requiem" into ye olde You Tube search engine and see what I'm hit with Perhaps I'm now old enough to listen to the piece !!!

                            Best Wishes,

                            Tevot
                            Last edited by Tevot; 04-07-14, 14:48.

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                            • Barbirollians
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11843

                              #29
                              Only having heard extracts from Monteux's Scheherazade before I was moved to buy a very cheap second-hand copy on Decca Weekend .

                              Its lovely apart from a rather strange coming to a complete halt near the end of the second movement . The finale is particularly exciting .

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22227

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                - Now, I've not heard that one. In fact, it's been years since I last listened to the work, so a trip to Spotify may well be in order.

                                (I think I've also heard the Kondrashin - a very early CD release from Phillips with a horrible cover? I borrowed it from the local Library in the early '80s; didn't do the trick. )
                                OK Ferney, you'll never like R-K's - how about Ravel's?

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