BBC Music Magazine CD list

[Ferretfancy]

I've just spent part of my Sunday afternoon applying careful surgery to the cardboard sleeve, and fitting it into a standard case. The booklet fits without any problem, but you have to trim the rest. It still needs a label for the spine, which means typing and printing one and fitting it into the slightly awkward space. I think my result looks rather smart!

After all that, will I want to keep Schwitzgebel's performances? Well, the Haydn is charming,and the Moonlight perhaps too 'rattled off' in the finale. I've yet to hear the Schubert.

[Pulcinella]

PJPJ (and others)

Yes: the CD is now in a cardboard sleeve, but they also include the `liner notes' in the right size to fit in a CD case. The accompanying letter (to subscribers) says that it is just a trial, and does indeed ask for feedback. It also says that you can download the inlay card (I assume that this is the bit that would go in the back of the tray, with details on the spine) from their website. I hope that if they revert to cases we get a `reissue' (or at least a properly printed inlay card); I shall say so when I give my responses.

If they stick to cardboard cases, there is (as far as I am concerned) even more of a reason to have a full listing/catalogue available somewhere. It seems that the knowlegewise site I had problems with earlier (see message 1) is up and running again, but unless I'm doing something very stupid I can't do any sort of search on it. Perhaps I really do have to save it in another format, but attempts so far to get it into a sensible form in Excel have been frustrating. All advice welcome, as ever!

[Petrushka]

I can see merits and otherwise in both cardboard sleeve and jewel case approach. True, the cardboard sleeve does have a shelf space saving advantage but has the look about it of a cheap throwaway 'heard-it-once-off-to-the-charity-shop' item. On the other hand the jewel case would be my preferred option for one I wanted to keep.

I really do need to have a cull of these discs in any case and to sort out those that I really want to be part of my collection rather than those just gathering dust.

[richardfinegold]

I've just spent part of my Sunday afternoon applying careful surgery to the cardboard sleeve, and fitting it into a standard case. The booklet fits without any problem, but you have to trim the rest. It still needs a label for the spine, which means typing and printing one and fitting it into the slightly awkward space. I think my result looks rather smart!

After all that, will I want to keep Schwitzgebel's performances? Well, the Haydn is charming,and the Moonlight perhaps too 'rattled off' in the finale. I've yet to hear the Schubert.

It takes about 60 seconds to burn it to a hard drive, and you can pour a cup of tea while you wait

[Ferretfancy]

It takes about 60 seconds to burn it to a hard drive, and you can pour a cup of tea while you wait

I'm sure that's true, but I like to listen to my music away from my computer, with the CD or even an LP to hand. I suppose it's a collector's instinct, downloads are just disposables, convenient but sterile.

I was amused the other day on these boards, I think it was in a discussion of Schumann symphonies,when a contributor mentioned making comparisons while in his car, How is anyone supposed to judge in those circumstances ?

[richardfinegold]

I'm sure that's true, but I like to listen to my music away from my computer, with the CD or even an LP to hand. I suppose it's a collector's instinct, downloads are just disposables, convenient but sterile.

I was amused the other day on these boards, I think it was in a discussion of Schumann symphonies,when a contributor mentioned making comparisons while in his car, How is anyone supposed to judge in those circumstances ?

Ah, ferret, the trick is to make your computer a part of your regular system.
Regarding Car Listening, to quote a pair of famous songwriters from Liverpool, "Beep Beep Beep Beep Yah!"

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I burn them to a HD and then discard them

If you do that, all you are left with is pirate copies.

[Dave2002]

If you do that, all you are left with is pirate copies.

Is that correct?

If discard = destroy and you can prove that you were entitled to the original, then perhaps not. Also could depend on the jurisdiction.
In the US that could very well be legal.

If discard = give or sell to someone else or another organisation, then I think you are correct.

An added complication would be due to the nature of the disc itself and the contract with the supplier.
It could be argued that the disc has no value - and was supplied free with the magazine. However, that argument could fail unless the publisher was legitimately allowed to supply the works at zero cost and had ownership of the copyright. Copyright is not necessarily associated with monetary value - unless of course it is violated and a claim is made by the copyright owners.

Whether a continuing subscription to the magazine vendors could count as a form of entitlement to the copyright material supplied is also a moot point. If that were deemed to be the case, then discontinuing the subscription would initiate copyright violations.

In practice I doubt whether any actions would arise from this, but you make an interesting point.

I know of people who have discarded their collection of LPs - having failed to offload them at Oxfam or similar charity shops they went in the bin -Ouch! They may have recorded some of their favourite ones to hard drive or CD-Rs, so they could also be in possession of illegal copies.

[cloughie]

Is that correct?

If discard = destroy and you can prove that you were entitled to the original, then perhaps not. Also could depend on the jurisdiction.
In the US that could very well be legal.

If discard = give or sell to someone else or another organisation, then I think you are correct.

An added complication would be due to the nature of the disc itself and the contract with the supplier.
It could be argued that the disc has no value - and was supplied free with the magazine. However, that argument could fail unless the publisher was legitimately allowed to supply the works at zero cost and had ownership of the copyright. Copyright is not necessarily associated with monetary value - unless of course it is violated and a claim is made by the copyright owners.

Whether a continuing subscription to the magazine vendors could count as a form of entitlement to the copyright material supplied is also a moot point. If that were deemed to be the case, then discontinuing the subscription would initiate copyright violations.

In practice I doubt whether any actions would arise from this, but you make an interesting point.

I know of people who have discarded their collection of LPs - having failed to offload them at Oxfam or similar charity shops they went in the bin -Ouch! They may have recorded some of their favourite ones to hard drive or CD-Rs, so they could also be in possession of illegal copies.

Are you suggesting there may be music loving criminals lurking around these boards?

[soileduk]

Are you suggesting there may be music loving criminals lurking around these boards?

You ain't seen me, right?

[richardfinegold]

I sincerely doubt that BBC Music Magazine will attempt to punish one of it's subscribers for burning a CD and then copying later and playing it he CD-R in their car.
Now that the Music Companies have figured out how to make money off of downloading, I don't think you will see anyone prosecuted for file sharing, either.

[Old Grumpy]

I read or heard somewhere that there was a move to decriminalise the act of taking a digtal copy of a CD or making a copy CD for personal use.

OG

[Old Grumpy]

I did and I urge those who oppose to the change do the same asap.

Done

[LeMartinPecheur]

I did and I urge those who oppose to the change do the same asap.

Done-done!

[Nachtigall]

Just adding my opinion that the move to cardboard is an unwelcome one and I responded online to that effect. As others have said one needs a jewel case in order to be able to locate the CD on one's shelves. I downloaded and printed the inlay but it's a bit of a fag to cut it accurately and fit it into a spare case.