Berta Joncus on this Saturday's CD Review...

[pastoralguy]

I see she is on this Saturday's programme discussing J.S. Bach's vocal music. May I remind fellow boarders that she was severely criticised on her first appearance some 8 years ago. So much so, that Andrew McGregor gave posters to the old BBC board a scolding!

May I respectfully suggest that any criticism of her (if any!) is tempered with a degree of civilised behaviour? It was, for me, a real low point of this forum.

[Barbirollians]

What if she were to say rude things about Ida Haendel though ?

[pastoralguy]

What if she were to say rude things about Ida Haendel though ?

That's different! All bets are off!

I did have an interesting time looking at the old site though.

[verismissimo]

I've had the pleasure of meeting her in the intervening time. Can't say that I ever encountered anyone more skilled in sarcasm and condescension. Was that the problem on-air eight years ago?

[VodkaDilc]

I see she is on this Saturday's programme discussing J.S. Bach's vocal music. May I remind fellow boarders that she was severely criticised on her first appearance some 8 years ago. So much so, that Andrew McGregor gave posters to the old BBC board a scolding!

May I respectfully suggest that any criticism of her (if any!) is tempered with a degree of civilised behaviour? It was, for me, a real low point of this forum.

We must have got very close to that a couple of weeks ago when there were dreadful comments (thankfully later removed) about a Saturday morning speaker on the CD industry.

Dr Joncus is a much respected academic and writer; I cannot see how anyone would have grounds for criticism.

[Richard Tarleton]

I've had the pleasure of meeting her in the intervening time. Can't say that I ever encountered anyone more skilled in sarcasm and condescension. Was that the problem on-air eight years ago?

As I remember it, could be quite wrong, her BAL was for best performance of unaccompanied Bach by a female violinist. At any rate there were no serious male contenders. Perhaps quite rightly.

[pastoralguy]

I must look through my old CD Reviews to see if I can find her BaL.

[french frank]

It was, for me, a real low point of this forum.

This forum? We didn't start until November 2010

Reading what you said again, I assume you meant 'that forum'?

[pastoralguy]

This forum? We didn't start until November 2010

Reading what you said again, I assume you meant 'that forum'?

Yeah, ok! It was late and I'd actually had to do some work at my place of employment!! what is the world coming to?!

[french frank]

Yeah, ok! It was late and I'd actually had to do some work at my place of employment!! what is the world coming to?!

But I'd echo your sentiments anyway. Unpleasant comments about individuals, be they other members, Radio 3 staff or broadcasters, performers, members of your own family, anyone else, are unnecessary and unwelcome. They are unpleasant for others to read and reflect badly on the forum and FoR3. There. I've said it.

Toujours la politesse, ne vous déplaise This is not a branch of Regent's Park Zoo.

[Ariosto]

I do vaguely remember Berta Joncus and CD Review on the old BBC site but I can’t remember what, if any, contribution I made, except that I was probably not too impressed with her. (If I remember correctly).

However, even if we were modded quite a lot on those old BBC boards, they were fairly tolerant and allowed quite a wide spectrum of views. In the end they closed the boards down so I’m not sure how accepting they really were. (Probably it was just to save money).

The point I’m coming to, and I’m sure I’m in a minority of one, is that I find this forum now to be rather authoritarian. There are new members who I have never met before, and who are of the opinion that i do not live up to the tenets of the forum, but who are they to say what these are?

I would say that they are probably correct as I am reminded by someone in charge that these are indeed the rules.

So I will not reply to any further arguments made, as there is nothing to be gained in so doing, but will retire from the scene and bow out.

Best wishes and regards

Ariosto

[Tony Halstead]

new members who I have never met before, and who are of the opinion that i do not live up to the tenets of the forum, but who are they to say what these are?

Sorry, Ariosto, this is nonsense, for goodness' sake don't leave the forum so soon after you have re-joined it!

[french frank]

Sorry, Ariosto, this is nonsense, for goodness' sake don't leave the forum so soon after you have re-joined it!

Sorry to appear authoritarian,. I had no thought of Ariosto being in any way involved with what pg was referring to. I was simply echoing pg's request that there should be no repetition of what happened last time. We have Terms and Conditions and House Rules like other forums, and people who post here have agreed to abide by them.

[pastoralguy]

I don't remember who said what and I certainly wasn't getting at anyone in particular but I do remember the remarks being extremely unpleasant. (Something along the lines of who is this American woman to tell us European's about our music!)

Apologies if the guilty have not been given sufficient protection...

[VodkaDilc]

Her previous BAL was Messiah in 2009:

http://www.gold.ac.uk/music/staff/joncus/