What can we learn from the stars?

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  • Dave2002
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 18015

    What can we learn from the stars?

    At Christmas i was given a surprise present - an astronomical telescope. I have had fun with it, even if the weather and light pollution have not helped me to see very much.

    I have considered getting yet another one, but a review of one telescope, a significanly more advanced model with a computer and other sophistication, such as a database of stellar clusters, nebulae and galaxies, pointed out that with 40,000 (I think that was the number) of "interesting" objects to point one's instrument at, that it would take over 10 years successfully locating 10 per night to see them all.

    I keep reading about new, better and cheaper boxes of musical works - the latest being of Haydn symphonies - an incomplete set by Hogwood and the AAM, and another of Sturm und Drang symphonies by Pinnock. There's also Julian Bream's collection, plus quite a few others. Some of us buy these, but realistically many of the CDs will never get played.

    Another recent posting in these boards concerns listeners to Live in Concert on R3. Few of us listen, seemingly.
    Could it be that there is too much choice, far too much opportunity, and that in fact none of us can actually experience everything which is on offer?

    A consideration for the BBC management is whether a station such as R3 should be judged only on the total number of listeners to individual programmes, or whether some consideration of choices should be used to modify the way in which the data is evaluated. We are now moving to a form of media consumption in which many don't listen as programmes are broadcast, but only to delayed versions. It is inevitable that if listeners have more choices that the total number listening to any one programme will be reduced. It does not necessarily mean that overall satisfaction with a station's output is reduced, as choice may be a factor in the mind of the listeners. Buyers of large CD boxes are not necessarily troubled over much if they never listen to every CD in every box.

    Satisfaction measures should perhaps not only be based on raw numbers of listeners, where listeners have choices.
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    #2
    Whew!

    A most thought-provoking posting. It'll take my brain some time to get round it all, but in principle, I can only endorse what has been said.

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    • richardfinegold
      Full Member
      • Sep 2012
      • 7666

      #3
      Very thoughtful, Dave.
      We do live in an age where we have perhaps to much choice. I have so many recordings that I start playing one and frequently start thinking about playing
      another. Was I happier when I hwas starting to collect music and had only a handful of choices? Did I listen with greater appreciation?
      Actually, remembering back to those days, I felt deprived because there was so much great music that i couldn't listen to on demand. I'll take the present condition and try to become a better listener.

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      • Pabmusic
        Full Member
        • May 2011
        • 5537

        #4
        Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
        ..with 40,000 (I think that was the number) of "interesting" objects to point one's instrument at, that it would take over 10 years successfully locating 10 per night to see them all...
        The reviewer was having you on (or else the telescope's no up to it) for there's an estimated 200,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way (our galaxy) alone. Then another 100,000,000,000 galaxies at least with 100,000,000,000 stars at least in each. Admittedly, you won't see many of those (although you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye if you're away from street lights) unless you invest in a clone of the Hubble telescope. But not many catalogues have those.

        But that's hardly your point, which is an excellent one. I've been trying to recall the last time I listened to a complete programme. Maybe twice this year, so far.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30283

          #5
          And when you've studied all your stars and listened to all your CDs - you can start on your books ... The good thing (potentially) about radio is (pardon the expression - it is slightly nuanced) its 'throwaway' quality. You can listen to it, enjoy, remember; but it doesn't then have to litter your shelves and cry out to be listened to again at intervals
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • aeolium
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3992

            #6
            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            And when you've studied all your stars and listened to all your CDs - you can start on your books ... The good thing (potentially) about radio is (pardon the expression - it is slightly nuanced) its 'throwaway' quality. You can listen to it, enjoy, remember; but it doesn't then have to litter your shelves and cry out to be listened to again at intervals
            Up to a point, Lord C. In fact there are quite a large number of radio broadcasts that I really wish were not 'thrown away', and that the incoming controller of R3 could somehow revive the BBC's seemingly aborted project to make large parts of the radio archive accessible. Books and CDs can almost always be hunted down, however obscure, but most of those wonderful Third Programme and R3 concerts, talks, drama productions are unavailable (except where preserved on youtube or in BBC Audio recordings). And some of them really do cry out to be listened to again.

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30283

              #7
              Originally posted by aeolium View Post
              Up to a point, Lord C. In fact there are quite a large number of radio broadcasts that I really wish were not 'thrown away', and that the incoming controller of R3 could somehow revive the BBC's seemingly aborted project to make large parts of the radio archive accessible. Books and CDs can almost always be hunted down, however obscure, but most of those wonderful Third Programme and R3 concerts, talks, drama productions are unavailable (except where preserved on youtube or in BBC Audio recordings). And some of them really do cry out to be listened to again.
              Quite agree - the point of the bold on have was that radio broadcasts differ from purchases of books and CDs which then fill up the house. I have preserved a number of R3's drama productions for which there are no substitutes. But even they don't 'litter' my shelves :-)

              Other point taken that there is a huge amount of choice under the (very) general heading of 'leisure and recreation'.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37678

                #8
                Re the thread title - ratings??

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