Missing period instrument Haydn symphonies.

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  • richardfinegold
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    • Sep 2012
    • 7661

    #31
    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    A couple of years ago I participated in just such a funding system for a festival dedicated to the music of Conlon Nancarrow and his influences. The method seems to be used a fair bit over The Pond.
    I've seen it used with some success in the Audio field.

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      #32
      Originally posted by rkyburz View Post
      Don't miss out on the Chiaroscuro's op.95!
      I had somehow missed this one, a situation now rectified. Thanks, they pull no punches, so they?! A very disc indeed, even if the booklet notes are merely Serviceable.

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      • rkyburz

        #33
        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        I had somehow missed this one, a situation now rectified. Thanks, they pull no punches, so they?! A very disc indeed, even if the booklet notes are merely Serviceable.
        I must confess: even as a notorious HIPPster it took me a moment to get used to their sound & playing! To my delight, they don't use portamento as substitute for vibrato, as another quartet does — but that really belongs into another thread...
        I like their Mozart just as much, if not more. As this is (one of) their first CD(s), I think it is legitimate that the booklet concentrates on the artists, even if some of the pics don't add much information!

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        • HighlandDougie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 3084

          #34
          I am particularly fond of the Schubert 'Rosamunde' Quartet as a piece of music. This Chiaroscuro performance rather bowled me over when I first heard it in 2011:



          Apart from the Ebène's performance which I heard in the Wigmore Hall and which I have preserved from the R3 relay, it remains the one I turn to most often. The Chiaroscuros performed the Schubert - and the Mozart K428 - at last year's Edinburgh Festival. A wonderful concert.

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          • rkyburz

            #35
            Thanks for that pointer (ran into this before, but didn't want to order before having looked at their Mozart/Beethoven CD) — will look at that in due time; from their Facebook page I take that they are working with Christophe Coin on the Schubert Quintet — I hope this will result in a recording!!

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            • rkyburz

              #36
              Ah, just read that the quintet was *not* recorded ...

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #37
                Have just been searching through past Radio 3 broadcasts of the Chiaroscuro Quartet, and have found:





                and most recently,

                Chiaroscuro Quartet in Haydn: String Quartet in C, Op 20. Mozart: Quartet in E flat, K428.


                all of which I will listen to over the next few days.

                I really don't know how I have failed to give them an ear (or two) before.

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                • ostuni
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 550

                  #38
                  Since none of those 3 programmes are available on the iplayer at the moment, how will you listen to them? Is there a clever way to fool the system?!

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                  • Bryn
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    #39
                    Originally posted by ostuni View Post
                    Since none of those 3 programmes are available on the iplayer at the moment, how will you listen to them? Is there a clever way to fool the system?!
                    I happened to record them at the times they were available but have not got round to them until now, prompted by rkyburz's posts on this thread.
                    Last edited by Bryn; 09-04-14, 21:23. Reason: Missing plural.

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                    • JFLL
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                      • Jan 2011
                      • 780

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      There has been a number of attempts at recording complete surveys of the Haydn symphonies using period instrument and instrumental techniques. Not only has none as yet been completed, there remain no period recordings at all of Nos. 79 and 81 as far as I can see. There is also but one of No. 80.

                      What is it about these symphonies that is holding the HIPPsters back? Must they remain available only in the distorted sound of versions with modern beefed up instruments?
                      I was digging about for HIPP versions of 79 & 81 recently and came across both of them on YouTube with Hogwood and the AAM. There's no information on the venue, but it may well be in Germany, as the titles are in German. Maybe someone recognizes it. I wonder whether these performances were in preparation for the continuation of the Oiseau-Lyre cycle which was complete up to no. 75 (with some of the London symphonies)? The date is apparently c.2000.

                      No. 79:

                      The Symphony No. 83 in F major, Hoboken 1/79, is a symphony by Joseph Haydn. It was composed in 1784 as part of a trio of symphonies that also included symph...


                      No. 81:

                      The Symphony No. 81 in G major (Hoboken 1/81) is a symphony by Joseph Haydn was composed in 1784 as part of a trio of symphonies that also included symphonie...

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                      • jayne lee wilson
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 10711

                        #41
                        IL Giardino Armonico with Giovanni Antonini have recently released Symphonies Nos. 39 & 49 on the Alpha label, album entitled "La Passione". Shame perhaps that they've put Gluck's Don Juan between the two, but having not found the time for a review on New Releases, all I can say is that it's very good indeed - small orchestra with great rhythmic bite and plenty of.... passion. The 24/96 file is very well recorded with fearsome dynamics and attack. Would have preferred 3 Sturm und Drangs but...
                        Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 19-12-14, 19:18.

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                        • MickyD
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 4754

                          #42
                          Originally posted by JFLL View Post
                          I was digging about for HIPP versions of 79 & 81 recently and came across both of them on YouTube with Hogwood and the AAM. There's no information on the venue, but it may well be in Germany, as the titles are in German. Maybe someone recognizes it. I wonder whether these performances were in preparation for the continuation of the Oiseau-Lyre cycle which was complete up to no. 75 (with some of the London symphonies)? The date is apparently c.2000.

                          No. 79:

                          The Symphony No. 83 in F major, Hoboken 1/79, is a symphony by Joseph Haydn. It was composed in 1784 as part of a trio of symphonies that also included symph...


                          No. 81:

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUqwuLDQRmw
                          Thank you so much for this, JFLL.... as an avid AAM fan, I had no idea of the existence of these public performances. I'm sure you're right, they were probably performances just before the orchestra went into the studio
                          and who knows, maybe they were even laid down by Decca, never to be released. Nos. 76 and 77 were certainly recorded and though they never got issued by Decca, they did make a brief appearance on a BBC music magazine disc, which I guard with my life - definitely a collector's item.

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                          • Flosshilde
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7988

                            #43
                            I was looking at the AAM/Hogwood recordings, after hearing one on Essential Classics last week. Presto has the complete recordings at £67 for the 32 disc set. I didn't occur to me that it wasn't the complete symphonies, but now I see that there almost 20 (76 - 95) missing.

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                            • MickyD
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 4754

                              #44
                              Yes, five boxes were still to be released in the complete edition of the AAM set and we fans were left high and dry, having bought all the previous issues.

                              Getting back to the TV peformances of 79 and 81...if Tony played in the band, could he tell us if they were indeed recorded by Decca, even though they were never released? I would so love to have them...no.79 is just superb.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                #45
                                Originally posted by JFLL View Post
                                I was digging about for HIPP versions of 79 & 81 recently and came across both of them on YouTube with Hogwood and the AAM. There's no information on the venue, but it may well be in Germany, as the titles are in German. Maybe someone recognizes it. I wonder whether these performances were in preparation for the continuation of the Oiseau-Lyre cycle which was complete up to no. 75 (with some of the London symphonies)? The date is apparently c.2000.

                                No. 79:

                                The Symphony No. 83 in F major, Hoboken 1/79, is a symphony by Joseph Haydn. It was composed in 1784 as part of a trio of symphonies that also included symph...


                                No. 81:

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUqwuLDQRmw
                                Many thanks for this. I have opted for the download of both. I note that a Freiburger performance of No. 80 is also on YouTube. I have downloaded that, too.

                                The symphony is set in 4 movements:1. Allegro spiritoso (0:00)2. Adagio (5:14)3. Menuetto (13:57)4. Finale: Presto (17:08)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympho...

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