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  • Barbirollians
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11696

    Brahms Piano Concerto No 2 on record

    Have recently for a song added the Zimerman/Bernstein to my collection. Wonderful playing and in particular articulation from Zimerman . VPO and Bernstein seem to be having a great time too. Adds up perhaps to less than the sum of its parts. Very good though.

    If not quite - Solomon /Dobrowen with Dennis Brain sending shivers up the spine with his horn playing
    Gilels/Jochum
    or Richter and Leinsdorf.

    Which recording is your favourite ?
  • Tony Halstead
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1717

    #2
    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
    Have recently for a song added the Zimerman/Bernstein to my collection. Wonderful playing and in particular articulation from Zimerman . VPO and Bernstein seem to be having a great time too. Adds up perhaps to less than the sum of its parts. Very good though.

    If not quite - Solomon /Dobrowen with Dennis Brain sending shivers up the spine with his horn playing
    Gilels/Jochum
    or Richter and Leinsdorf.

    Which recording is your favourite ?
    1) Leon Fleischer/ George Szell/ Cleveland Orchestra
    2) Rudolf Serkin / George Szell/ Cleveland Orchestra

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    • EdgeleyRob
      Guest
      • Nov 2010
      • 12180

      #3
      Spooky,I've just been listening to this,which I adore

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      • Petrushka
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12254

        #4
        Wilhelm Backhaus, Vienna Philharmonic, Karl Böhm but have several more on the shelves. I've generally preferred the 2nd Piano Concerto over the 1st but latterly have found that the 1st has now 'clicked' with me and now like both equally.

        The 2nd has been fairly lucky on disc.
        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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        • Don Petter

          #5
          Originally posted by Tony View Post
          1) Leon Fleischer/ George Szell/ Cleveland Orchestra
          2) Rudolf Serkin / George Szell/ Cleveland Orchestra
          My favourite is Serkin/Ormandy/Philadelphia.

          Not, as far as I know, ever on CD. On LP as ABL3170.

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #6
            Emil Gilels and Jochum!
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • Hornspieler
              Late Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 1847

              #7
              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
              Have recently for a song added the Zimerman/Bernstein to my collection. Wonderful playing and in particular articulation from Zimerman . VPO and Bernstein seem to be having a great time too. Adds up perhaps to less than the sum of its parts. Very good though.

              If not quite - Solomon /Dobrowen with Dennis Brain sending shivers up the spine with his horn playing

              Gilels/Jochum or Richter and Leinsdorf.

              Which recording is your favourite ?
              In fact, BB, only the opening of the concerto, written for 1st horn in B flat, highlights Dennis Brain (and in the recapitulation.

              Those beautiful high solos (written for horn in F) is played by the 3rd horn and all of the second movement is written for 3rd and 4th horns, with 1st and 2nd horns tacent.
              I believe that the 3rd horn part on that recording was played by the Australian horn player Roy White, who returned to his native country shortly afterwards
              I'm sure that Tony will confirm that.

              NB when valve horns were only in the earliest stages of development, composers such as Brahms and Schumann preferred to write for two pairs of 1st and 2nd horns, particularly when the work was in a minor key and almost invariably, the higher parts were played by the second set of 1st and 2nd horns horns pitched in the relative major or dominant key (now allotted to 3rd and 4th horns in current music scores)

              Confused? You are not alone!

              Happy Mothers Day! (where applicable)

              HS

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22127

                #8
                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                Wilhelm Backhaus, Vienna Philharmonic, Karl Böhm but have several more on the shelves. I've generally preferred the 2nd Piano Concerto over the 1st but latterly have found that the 1st has now 'clicked' with me and now like both equally.

                The 2nd has been fairly lucky on disc.
                There is also an earlier Backhaus with Schuricht which is really good. I agree with you about it being lucky and there are many good 'ns to choose. Two of my long-term favourites are Katchen LSO Ferencsik and Ashkenazy LSO Mehta.

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                • Barbirollians
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11696

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Hornspieler View Post
                  In fact, BB, only the opening of the concerto, written for 1st horn in B flat, highlights Dennis Brain (and in the recapitulation.

                  Those beautiful high solos (written for horn in F) is played by the 3rd horn and all of the second movement is written for 3rd and 4th horns, with 1st and 2nd horns tacent.
                  I believe that the 3rd horn part on that recording was played by the Australian horn player Roy White, who returned to his native country shortly afterwards
                  I'm sure that Tony will confirm that.

                  NB when valve horns were only in the earliest stages of development, composers such as Brahms and Schumann preferred to write for two pairs of 1st and 2nd horns, particularly when the work was in a minor key and almost invariably, the higher parts were played by the second set of 1st and 2nd horns horns pitched in the relative major or dominant key (now allotted to 3rd and 4th horns in current music scores)

                  Confused? You are not alone!

                  Happy Mothers Day! (where applicable)

                  HS
                  I am sure you are right . I was referring most of all to the very opening bars.

                  I am sure I read once that some conductors or maybe it was just Beecham would give the 1st horn some of the other horn's parts to play when Dennis Brain was in the orchestra.

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    What other recordings be good to acquire?
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • Petrushka
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12254

                      #11
                      In addition to the Backhaus/VPO/Böhm, other fine versions I have are:

                      Pollini/BPO/Abbado
                      Gilels/BPO/Jochum
                      Bishop[-Kovacevich]/LSO/Colin Davis
                      Arrau/Concertgebouw/Haitink
                      Anda/Cologne Radio SO/Klemperer
                      Anda/BPO/Karajan
                      Fischer/BPO/Furtwangler
                      Brendel/BPO/Abbado

                      Not sure how or why I've managed to collect so many!
                      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                      • BBMmk2
                        Late Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20908

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                        In addition to the Backhaus/VPO/Böhm, other fine versions I have are:

                        Pollini/BPO/Abbado
                        Gilels/BPO/Jochum
                        Bishop[-Kovacevich]/LSO/Colin Davis
                        Arrau/Concertgebouw/Haitink
                        Anda/Cologne Radio SO/Klemperer
                        Anda/BPO/Karajan
                        Fischer/BPO/Furtwangler
                        Brendel/BPO/Abbado

                        Not sure how or why I've managed to collect so many!
                        Brendel/BPO/Abbado looks interesting,as does the Kovacevich/LSO/Davis!! :)
                        Don’t cry for me
                        I go where music was born

                        J S Bach 1685-1750

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                        • Barbirollians
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11696

                          #13
                          Richter and Leinsdorf I recommend BBM to anyone who loves Gilels/Jochum.

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                          • richardfinegold
                            Full Member
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 7667

                            #14
                            Fleisher/Szell remains the standard for me. Recently reissued in 24 bit remasterings.

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26538

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              Richter and Leinsdorf I recommend BBM to anyone who loves Gilels/Jochum.
                              I like the latter pair in No 1 but the former pair is my top choice for No 2
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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