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  • HARRIET HAVARD

    #46
    Wouldn't count on this being rock bottom. Tomlinson was asking for listeners to tweet with details about their favourite school teacher this morning. Just where are they finding these presenters? Can only think they are cheap.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30752

      #47
      Originally posted by Mary Chambers View Post
      What I just don't understand is why R3 doesn't feel the need to educate the 'new audience' - if there is such a thing.
      Just working on this idea. My view is that the target audience doesn't want to be educated: it wants to be entertained. Whereas the BBC should be saying: some audiences find Radio 3 'a little inaccessible' the response should be: 'Good. We're stretching people a bit. Just what Radio 3 should be doing.' But they don't: they say: 'We must make Radio 3 a little easier, then.'

      The concept that some audiences might be 'excluded' from, say, Strictly Come Dancing or EastEnders [choose something you wouldn't watch/listen to under any circumstances], doesn't occur to them. Or that making programmes 'inaccessible to some audiences' means they are probably reaching audiences which other services don't reach which is part of their duty.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • amateur51

        #48
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Just working on this idea. My view is that the target audience doesn't want to be educated: it wants to be entertained. Whereas the BBC should be saying: some audiences find Radio 3 'a little inaccessible' the response should be: 'Good. We're stretching people a bit. Just what Radio 3 should be doing.' But they don't: they say: 'We must make Radio 3 a little easier, then.'

        The concept that some audiences might be 'excluded' from, say, Strictly Come Dancing or EastEnders [choose something you wouldn't watch/listen to under any circumstances], doesn't occur to them. Or that making programmes 'inaccessible to some audiences' means they are probably reaching audiences which other services don't reach which is part of their duty.
        And as you have pointed out previously, isn't Radio 3's'dumbing down' to CFM's level doing exactly what it is forbidden to do, i.e., deliberately competing with its commercial rival on its turf?

        I hope that CFM will cut up rough about this and that, suitably chastised, Radio 3 will use quality broadcasting as its route to maintaining and building its audience.

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        • Mary Chambers
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1963

          #49
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Just working on this idea. My view is that the target audience doesn't want to be educated: it wants to be entertained. Whereas the BBC should be saying: some audiences find Radio 3 'a little inaccessible' the response should be: 'Good. We're stretching people a bit. Just what Radio 3 should be doing.' But they don't: they say: 'We must make Radio 3 a little easier, then.'

          The concept that some audiences might be 'excluded' from, say, Strictly Come Dancing or EastEnders [choose something you wouldn't watch/listen to under any circumstances], doesn't occur to them. Or that making programmes 'inaccessible to some audiences' means they are probably reaching audiences which other services don't reach which is part of their duty.
          Unfortunately, I think you're completely right.

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          • Anna

            #50
            I heard Breakfast from around 8am for an hour. To be fair you cannot blame Adam Tomlinson, he's merely been hired to do a job and play the tracks the producers have selected and insert the type of matey chat and links that it's been decided Radio 3 listeners like.
            Personally, since this film theme, I've never been so disinclined to turn R3 on and so inclined to turn it off. I feel very sad about. I was once one of R3's 'new audience' (around 10 years ago) and even I don't recognise it now as the station I grew to love.

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            • Mary Chambers
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1963

              #51
              Originally posted by Anna View Post
              Personally, since this film theme, I've never been so disinclined to turn R3 on and so inclined to turn it off. I feel very sad about. I was once one of R3's 'new audience' (around 10 years ago) and even I don't recognise it now as the station I grew to love.
              That's very sad. I didn't realise you'd come to it so (comparatively!) recently. Imagine how unrecognisable much of it has become to those of us who have been listening, on and off, for......well, a lot longer than that. To me it's still the Third Programme, or should be.

              I agree about the film music.

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              • teamsaint
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 25279

                #52
                Originally posted by Mary Chambers View Post
                That's very sad. I didn't realise you'd come to it so (comparatively!) recently. Imagine how unrecognisable much of it has become to those of us who have been listening, on and off, for......well, a lot longer than that. To me it's still the Third Programme, or should be.

                I agree about the film music.
                I started to listen to R3 regularly around 5 years ago.

                It got appreciably worse (certainly daytime) in that time, IMO.
                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                • mercia
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 8920

                  #53
                  I hope Mr Tomlinson doesn't have any formal musical education, because I think we decided on another thread that that can be a positive disadvantage.
                  I don't mind him being from Yorkshire any more than I mind Janet Baker or Fanny Waterman hailing from those parts either.

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                  • Mary Chambers
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1963

                    #54
                    Bing Crosby this morning. For heaven's sake. Radio 2 is there for that sort of thing.

                    Admittedly Jascha Hiefetz was on the recording too, but that doesn't help as far as I'm concerned. I've switched off.

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                    • salymap
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5969

                      #55
                      Like Mary I go back to the Third Programme. Looking back many programmes were by no means 'over serious' - in fact I remember a lotof humour from the musicians and knowledgeable folk who entertained and, I hope, muaically educated me.

                      Itmakes me almost, I say almost, glad that I'm near to the end of my personal road.

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                      • Frances_iom
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 2430

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Mary Chambers View Post
                        Bing Crosby this morning. For heaven's sake. Radio 2 is there for that sort of thing.
                        ...
                        It was but no longer, R2 has also morphed - the resources used by what was R3 are now being used for the displaced audience and has become for all intents and purposes R2 extra for the over 50's.
                        I listen to the evening concert and that's about all these days - R4 seems to have better speech programs, where R3 could have scored is a different form for nightwaves aimed at those with some knowledge of a subject but this requires resources and would be 'inaccessible' to those who merely want the sound as aural wallpaper

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                        • Richard Tarleton

                          #57
                          A comparison with Ryanair might be appropriate. Just when you think it ca't get any worse, Roger "O'Leary" Wright comes up with a fresh round of insults to hurl at passengers, er, listeners.

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                          • Dave2002
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 18078

                            #58
                            I'm not a great fan of O'Leary, but despite problems experienced by some, there is little doubt that Ryanair is successful, and by some measures gives people what they want. Indeed, I took a couple of flights with them not very long ago. They got me where I wanted to go, and come back from. There was no other way to go without spending a lot more money, and even then having to change planes and spend the best part of a day each way, so O'Leary's outfit is getting some things right. I was amused at the comment about drinking orange juice and soft drinks in the promotional magazine - "the toilets are still free!"

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                            • amateur51

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                              It was but no longer, R2 has also morphed - the resources used by what was R3 are now being used for the displaced audience and has become for all intents and purposes R2 extra for the over 50's.
                              I listen to the evening concert and that's about all these days - R4 seems to have better speech programs, where R3 could have scored is a different form for nightwaves aimed at those with some knowledge of a subject but this requires resources and would be 'inaccessible' to those who merely want the sound as aural wallpaper
                              I've thought about what you've written Frances_iom and by jingo I think you're right.

                              How terribly sad

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                              • Jonathan
                                Full Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 963

                                #60
                                I'm really glad I've missed this weekend's morning programme. I thought it was bad enough when SMP was playing bits from Xanadu on Friday. The recent downturn in the quality of morning programming has led me to listen to R4 on the way to work. Especially as my CD player is broken.

                                What is Roger Wright playing at?
                                Best regards,
                                Jonathan

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