The Classic FM-isation of R3 is almost complete

[Bax-of-Delights]

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXCsS85OXY

William Alwyn - ignored by R3 in its British composer month - wrote a huge amount of film music. Will he be ignored again one wonders?

[soileduk]

DavidP, you are Richard Wright and I claim my £5.

[DavidP]

Do you, by any chance, have more reference to this project on film music on Radio 3 than this?

I'm sorry, I don't. The link tells us precious little. Nor could I find out much else. I guess we'll be told more nearer the event (Not that I'm holding my breath waiting for anything decent).

From this description it clearly suggests that the project is about ‘the themes from the blockbusters’

If that's true then it is all too depressingly familiar. But, then the timidity of concert promoters towards film music and other areas of the repertoire seems to be a problem as well. We need to pressure them to do better!

If you want to discuss film music in general, or about why some film music should be played on Radio3, why not start a new thread? You may be surprised to find that there are many film music experts on the forum.

Excellent idea, Doversoul. Too often when the subject of film music gets mentioned on this forum it seems to be in the context of rather Blimpish comments about how R3 is 'dumbing down' and I for one would welcome a more positive discussion. I know too there are, at the very least, several forum members with a wide understanding of the subject.

In fact, I'll start such a thread now.

[DavidP]

Beefy.

Despite what you said above you still haven't sent me a pm. However, I'm starting a new thread on film music. I hope you find something useful there.

[Beef Oven]

Beefy.

Despite what you said above you still haven't sent me a pm. However, I'm starting a new thread on film music. I hope you find something useful there.

Sent you a pm. Check and see if your inbox is full.

I'll send again.

Edit: my mail account is showing that 2 messages have now been sent to you.

There must be something wrong at your end.

[DavidP]

Sent you a pm. Check and see if your inbox is full.

I'll send again.

Edit: my mail account is showing that 2 messages have now been sent to you.

There must be something wrong at your end.

I'm baffled, Beefy (Not for the first time some would say!) I've just looked in my Inbox and it says, "Inbox contains 3 messages" - none of them appear to be yours. Hopefully, it's just a temporary glitch and I'll get your messages soon. In the meantime, see my thread Film Music Recommendations under Talking About Music. There are several suggestions for you there.

[Beef Oven]

I'm baffled, Beefy (Not for the first time some would say!) I've just looked in my Inbox and it says, "Inbox contains 3 messages" - none of them appear to be yours. See my thread under

How about you just pm me the information you were politely offering to french frank the other day?

[DavidP]

How about you just pm me the information you were politely offering to french frank the other day?

Ah! I see what you're up to. You're just a mischief maker. One who has already been in trouble with the moderators for "baiting" other posters. Well, I ain't biting!

[DavidP]

The Royal Charter is a legal document, with an Agreement entered into between the BBC and the government. It states specifically that the BBC is not allowed (it 'agreed') to use its (publicly funded) services to compete directly with an existing commercial service. Classic FM was first to adopt a remit to broadcast lighter, more popular orchestral/classical music, not then offered by the BBC, to the broader public, a service which could be relied on to attract a reasonable size of audience, without which it would have no advertisers. It has included 'film music' as one of its featured genres and has already complained that Radio 3 has been introducing such music as part of its strategy to appeal to 'the broader audience'. Classic FM would appear to have the law on its side in this. But why should it care if Radio 3 tries to gain a share of its listening and audience? it only means a drop in advertising revenue, whereas the BBC continues to get its 'tax'. Broadcasting in this country is a regulated ecology where the public service must leave 'space' (to use the current phrase) for commercial broadcasters. That's why Classic FM can 'decide' Radio 3's horizons where they expand them to invade its own territory. I imagine Radio 3 played 'The Lark Ascending' long before Classic FM was thought of.
You know a lot about film music; you know nothing about the BBC's legal obligations. Until you have recognised this point discussion is useless.

A post consisting of total non sequiturs as usual.

Having had all her objections effectively countered French Frank deploys what She thinks is her thermonuclear bomb, “The BBC Charter” and – Oops! - it turns out to be a damp squib instead!

I'd like to see Classic FM try to make a legal challenge to R3 on this - they'd be laughed out of court! It would be like them trying to claim legal ownership of the C major scale!

We agree on one point, however - further discussion between us is indeed useless!

[Beef Oven]

Ah! I see what you're up to. You're just a mischief maker. One who has already been in trouble with the moderators for "baiting" other posters. Well, I ain't biting!

Nonsense, you are a game player in this.

I asked you if you would give me the benefit of the info that you were offering ff.

If you were genuine, you could post it (as I expected) or you could pm me.

I have pmed you twice - but why is it necessary in the first place?

You're sussed, playing games.

[LeMartinPecheur]

A post consisting of total non sequiturs as usual.

Having had all her objections effectively countered French Frank deploys what She thinks is her thermonuclear bomb, “The BBC Charter” and – Oops! - it turns out to be a damp squib instead!

I'd like to see Classic FM try to make a legal challenge to R3 on this - they'd be laughed out of court! It would be like them trying to claim legal ownership of the C major scale!

We agree on one point, however - further discussion between us is indeed useless!

DavidP: I'm so impressed to learn that your great knowledge extends to the power politics of media law! And exceeds that of ff who studies this stuff not for fees but through commitment to listeners actually getting what they're 'promised' in such documents as the BBC Charter.

Even so, I would have thought you'd twig that a full legal challenge may not be needed. Just a few well-placed words in the ears of all those ministers/MPs with an existing animus against non-free-market dinosaurs like the BBC might be just as effective, don't you think? OK, it may not be in a direct fight between CFM and R3, but a well-placed complaint about infringement of the Charter would be grist to the mill of all those nice caring capitalists who think that national media are far, far safer in the hands of those who donate to party funds, and who are very well-placed to 'readjust' the market by abolishing the BBC, in its present form if not in name

OK, OK, further discussion is no doubt 'useless', but I have no doubt about who has made it so.

[Nick Armstrong]

A post consisting of total non sequiturs as usual.

Having had all her objections effectively countered French Frank deploys what She thinks is her thermonuclear bomb, “The BBC Charter” and – Oops! - it turns out to be a damp squib instead!

Each bit of that seems to me incorrect, and the withering tone doesn't make it any more convincing.

further discussion between us is indeed useless

I do hope those were your last words on the matter.

[DavidP]

DavidP: I'm so impressed to learn that your great knowledge extends to the power politics of media law! And exceeds that of ff who studies this stuff not for fees but through commitment to listeners actually getting what they're 'promised' in such documents as the BBC Charter.

Even so, I would have thought you'd twig that a full legal challenge may not be needed. Just a few well-placed words in the ears of all those ministers/MPs with an existing animus against non-free-market dinosaurs like the BBC might be just as effective, don't you think? OK, it may not be in a direct fight between CFM and R3, but it's grist to the mill of all those nice caring capitalists who think that national media are far safer in the hands of those who donate to party funds

OK, OK, further discussion is no doubt 'useless', but I have no doubt about who has made it so.

Well, I'm a R3 listener too, someone who wants to see R3 exist and thrive into the future. In that regard people like you, French Frank, Caliban and your friends at FoR3 are just profoundly unhelpful.

[DavidP]

Each bit of that seems to me incorrect, and the withering tone doesn't make it any more convincing.


I do hope those were your last words on the matter.

Oh, I think the withering tone is entirely apt given the obvious absurdity of what was being said. It's the best laugh I've had all day!

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the legal action that ITV and Channel 4 will no doubt now be taking against the BBC for it's borrowing of their talent/reality show formats.

[Beef Oven]

Oh, I think the withering tone is entirely apt given the obvious absurdity of what was being said. It's the best laugh I've had all day!

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the legal action that ITV and Channel 4 will no doubt now be taking against the BBC for it's borrowing of their talent/reality show formats.

There are two types of people in this life, builders and destroyers. Destroyers tend to be people with low self-esteem.