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  • cloughie
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    • Dec 2011
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    #31
    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    But a large part of the programme was made up of single movements (albeit the entire single movement).
    I see that on Flora Day yesterday Cornwall received due recognition - maybe the influence of Helston boy Petroc Trelawny. A date for R3 Breakfast for subsequent years is March 5th - St Piran's Day - maybe Trelawny sung by a Cornish MVC!

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
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      #32
      Originally posted by Northender View Post
      Vivian Ellis's 'Flying Scot' will, with immediate effect, be replaced by a single diesel rail car offering a shuttle service between London Euston and Watford Junction.
      Or even Coronation Scot

      The Coronation Scot was a High speed train that ran from London Euston Station to Glasgow Central Station in 1937-1939 by the London Midland & Scottish Railw...

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      • salymap
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 5969

        #33
        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
        Wsn't that used as sig tunefor'Paul Temple' ? Margery Westbury et al....I loved that programme.

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        • cloughie
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          • Dec 2011
          • 22119

          #34
          Originally posted by salymap View Post
          Wsn't that used as sig tunefor'Paul Temple' ? Margery Westbury et al....I loved that programme.
          Indeed so, saly

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30285

            #35
            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
            I see that on Flora Day yesterday Cornwall received due recognition - maybe the influence of Helston boy Petroc Trelawny.
            And I'm happy to be set right by the website, since I always referred to the piece (incorrectly?) as the Floral Dance (no cracks about Bristol, please ). However, I was under the impression that the song itself was called The Floral Dance. Was this (i.e. the one played on Breakfast) a different piece from the one played by the Brighouse and Rastrick BB which 'charted' in 1977?

            [However, I'm fairly sure it was Louis Lortie who played Beethoven Op27/2 (part of), not Louis Lorti.]
            Last edited by french frank; 09-05-13, 11:17. Reason: clarification
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Ferretfancy
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              • Nov 2010
              • 3487

              #36
              Originally posted by salymap View Post
              Wsn't that used as sig tunefor'Paul Temple' ? Margery Westbury et al....I loved that programme.
              It was Coronation Scot, but earlier on it was the second movement of Scheherezade, I loved it as a child, but couldn't understand why Mrs Temple was called Steve!

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              • cloughie
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                • Dec 2011
                • 22119

                #37
                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                And I'm happy to be set right by the website, since I always referred to the piece (incorrectly?) as the Floral Dance (no cracks about Bristol, please ). However, I was under the impression that the song itself was called The Floral Dance. Was this (i.e. the one played on Breakfast) a different piece from the one played by the Brighouse and Rastrick BB which 'charted' in 1977?

                [However, I'm fairly sure it was Louis Lortie who played Beethoven Op27/2 (part of), not Louis Lorti.]
                The Floral Dance is same piece but the Helston Band version of it is the original arrangement as played on Flora Day leading the dance around the town, whereas the B&R version is a more robust arrangement. As a Yorkshireman living in Cornwall I like them both!

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                • Suffolkcoastal
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3290

                  #38
                  Originally posted by aeolium View Post
                  Do you really mean that, sc? Grossly disproportionate, surely.
                  Sorry, trying to do three things at once at 8:30 is clearly too much. I meant around a dozen! Mind you 12 dozen may well be the year's total for Hungarian Dances at the rate R3 are going.

                  PS I noticed that The Wasps buzzed around Breakfast again this morning (I believe the Overture is now in double figures for the year), as well as yet another Schubert Impromptu and the almost daily dose of J Strauss II.

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                  • Pabmusic
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                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    #39
                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    The Floral Dance is same piece but the Helston Band version of it is the original arrangement as played on Flora Day leading the dance around the town, whereas the B&R version is a more robust arrangement. As a Yorkshireman living in Cornwall I like them both!
                    The song dates from 1911 and is by Katie Moss (not that one) who wrote the words and the music - sort of. It's actually based on an older dance tune that begins at the words "I thought I could hear the curious tone of the cornet, clarinet and big trombone..." (I think I've remembered the words more or less right). A quick look in my set of Cecil Sharp's Morris Dance Tunes (1909) shows the Helston Furry Dance (in vol. 9) and the Castleton Garland Dance (vol. 10) that are both essentially the same tune.

                    Incidentally, volumes 9 & 10 are the two where most of the piano arrangements are by my avatar and not by Sharp.

                    There were famous recordings of Katie Moss's song by Peter Dawson and Terry Wogan.

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                    • french frank
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                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30285

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                      There were famous recordings of Katie Moss's song by Peter Dawson and Terry Wogan.
                      The Peter Dawson one was very well known (to me, from having heard it on the wireless: that was proper "singing" back in those days, like George Someone who sang "Hob Shoe Hob" on Listen With Mother) - and the brass band arrangement was a 'novelty' hit much later.

                      Thanks to cloughie for the additional info.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • salymap
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5969

                        #41
                        My recording of the Floral Dance is sung by the great Russian bass,Oscar Natzka, New Zealand born.
                        He died at only 39 in 1951 but I acquired a wonderful CD of 24songs and arias. I saw him at the RAH too.

                        Off topic, but does anyone remember him?

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                        • amateur51

                          #42
                          Originally posted by salymap View Post
                          My recording of the Floral Dance is sung by the great Russian bass,Oscar Natzka, New Zealand born.
                          He died at only 39 in 1951 but I acquired a wonderful CD of 24songs and arias. I saw him at the RAH too.

                          Off topic, but does anyone remember him?
                          not until this very moment, salymap

                          Listening to this, I'm very glad to have made his acquaintance

                          Oscar Natzka (1912-1951)A curious and ultimately sad case among 20th century basses is that of Oscar Natzka (originally Natzke), who would undoubtedly be bet...


                          Most appropriate for this evening's journey home, eh Caliban?

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                          • Hautboiste

                            #43
                            Way back when the Helston Furry Dance was part of the Grade I (or possibly Grade 2) National Dancing syllabus of the Imperial Society of Teachers of Dancing. I spent many a happy hour after school crashing around the dance studio.

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                            • Pabmusic
                              Full Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 5537

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Hautboiste View Post
                              Way back when the Helston Furry Dance was part of the Grade I (or possibly Grade 2) National Dancing syllabus of the Imperial Society of Teachers of Dancing. I spent many a happy hour after school crashing around the dance studio.
                              My interest quickened by discussion of The Floral Dance, I spent an hour or so looking through my sets of Cecil Sharp's Country Dances and Morris Dances, all from the early years of the EFDSS and published by Novello.

                              There are some wonderful titles – Lumps of Plum Pudding springs to mind as a menu that doesn't quite bring in the diners. Footy Agen the Wa’ might have been a pre-Alex Ferguson training session, and Bung Your Eye was obviously a term of encouragement uttered during the same.

                              Uncontrolled binges are nothing new. Saturday Night and Sunday Morn, Hey Boys, Up Go We, The Juice off Barley, Gramarchree is a Sup of Good Drink, The Pleasures of the Town, We Won’t Go Home Until Morning, The Merry, Merry Milkmaids, Every Lad His Lass, Maiden Lane, Fourpence Half-Penny Farthing, Touch and Take, Nancy’s Fancy, Fain I Would, Catching of Fleas, Melancholy Martin, and Ten Pound Lass all combine to tell a tale just as familiar now, although then it was more often followed by Haste To The Wedding.

                              Not everyone joined in – Dull Sir John – although The Friar and the Nun can be read in different ways and Rufty Tufty might have been involved.

                              Best of all, though, I understand that police from Operation Yewtree are investigating The Collier’s Daughter or the Duke of Rutland’s Delight. About time, too.

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                              • Flosshilde
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7988

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                                Fourpence Half-Penny Farthing, ... Ten Pound Lass
                                A touch of inflation there, or is the latter what appears after Haste To The Wedding?

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