Clipping the wings of VW's skylark ....

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  • Bryn
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    #16
    Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
    Sir Thomas would have held you up as an example! He said that as long as the musicians began together and ended together the audience would not mind what went on in between.
    A bit lkie Egnislh wrods tehn.

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    • pastoralguy
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7758

      #17
      [QUOTE=Suffolkcoastal;But quite agree playing a chunk of a movement is just getting ridiculous, at the rate RW and his cronies are going I can see the following happening in the not too distant future.

      'Now for the opening 10 bars of Beethoven's 5th, after which please we'll be reading your texts and tweets on what your dog has been doing whilst you've been listening to these 10 bars, then we'll chat to another member of the public and play the opening chords of Tchaikovsky's 1st Piano Concerto, please tweet in with what your budgie is doing etc etc etc...[/QUOTE]

      To be fair, this was the 'Official specialist classical chart' part of the programme which appears to be required to play 4 extracts from the weeks highest new entries. Since the new No. 1 was the latest recording of DSCH 7 it would be unwieldy to play a complete movement from this huge behemoth of a symphony.

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      • Andrew Slater
        Full Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 1792

        #18
        Originally posted by Northender View Post
        we are given its take-off and landing and spared all the stuff in between?
        .... but it doesn't actually land ....

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        • Mr Pee
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 3285

          #19
          Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post
          .... but it doesn't actually land ....
          Good point.....
          Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

          Mark Twain.

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #20
            I cant see any reason why Radio 3 does'nt broadcast RVW's Tuba Concerto?
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • Beef Oven

              #21
              Originally posted by Northender View Post
              Bored beyond measure by 'Today's obsession with Sir Alex Ferguson's immediate plans, I retuned to Radio 3 just in time to hear part of the last movement of the Shostakovitch 7th. To demonstrate my appreciation of this commendable time-saving measure, may I suggest that, the next time VW's Lark is featured, we are given its take-off and landing and spared all the stuff in between?
              I've never heard this piece - can anyone recommend a recording?

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              • EdgeleyRob
                Guest
                • Nov 2010
                • 12180

                #22
                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                The Lark Ascending is a lovely piece, but recently it has been broadcast more often than its charms return. It feels as if the Lark has been caged, in order to sing whenever the broadcasters demand, instead of being a rare and memorable encounter. The occasional Norfolk Rhapsody, Variants on Dives & Lazarus, Serenade to Music, Concerto Grosso, Oboe/Tuba Concerto, In the Fen Country would be very welcome.
                I agree.

                Feel a bit sorry for the Lark.

                My beautiful ascending lark.
                Your critics are wide of the mark.
                It's not your fault it seems to me.
                Overworked by Radio three.
                When you rise and begin to round.
                I love that silver chain of sound.
                Over the course of many years.
                You've brought sheer delight to my ears.
                And so much pleasure still to give.
                I'll love you as long as I live.

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                • french frank
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                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30284

                  #23
                  Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                  To be fair, this was the 'Official specialist classical chart' part of the programme which appears to be required to play 4 extracts from the weeks highest new entries. Since the new No. 1 was the latest recording of DSCH 7 it would be unwieldy to play a complete movement from this huge behemoth of a symphony.
                  But a large part of the programme was made up of single movements (albeit the entire single movement).
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Bryn
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Beef Oven View Post
                    I've never heard this piece - can anyone recommend a recording?
                    If you mean the Lark, there is Little to compare to Iona Brown (her ASV recording, rather than the later one on Decca). Oh, I don't know, whichever of her recordings is well worth having.

                    Try which is, I think, her first.

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                    • Beef Oven

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      If you mean the Lark, there is Little to compare to Iona Brown (her ASV recording, rather than the later one on Decca). Oh, I don't know, whichever of her recordings is well worth having.

                      Try which is, I think, her first.


                      Great vid - cheers!

                      P.S. I have heard it before come to think of it

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                      • pastoralguy
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7758

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        I cant see any reason why Radio 3 does'nt broadcast RVW's Tuba Concerto?
                        Good taste...?

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                        • Pabmusic
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                          • May 2011
                          • 5537

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                          I cant see any reason why Radio 3 does'nt broadcast RVW's Tuba Concerto?
                          I'd agree with that. The Tuba Concerto is a fine piece, beautifully written for the instrument, and has a lovely slow movement. Echt-Vaughan Williams in fact. There are a few recordings, all good, but this one was recorded the day after the first performance by the same team (Philip Catelinet, LSO & Barbirolli):



                          Or here it is again:

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                          • Suffolkcoastal
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3290

                            #28
                            The slow movement of RVW's Tuba Concerto was on Breakfast fairly recently I believe (or possibly In Tune). I think we tend to notice certain works being apparently played more than others. We've had 12 or 13 (I'll need to check my figures) Italian Serenades for example this year, around 20 chunks from Mendelssohn's A Midsummer Nights Dream and about the same from The Nutcracker, The Hebrides Overture is around the 12 dozen mark for example, but this isn't noticed as much as The Lark or Rodeo fro example.

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                            • doversoul1
                              Ex Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 7132

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Suffolkcoastal View Post
                              The slow movement of RVW's Tuba Concerto was on Breakfast fairly recently I believe (or possibly In Tune). I think we tend to notice certain works being apparently played more than others. We've had 12 or 13 (I'll need to check my figures) Italian Serenades for example this year, around 20 chunks from Mendelssohn's A Midsummer Nights Dream and about the same from The Nutcracker, The Hebrides Overture is around the 12 dozen mark for example, but this isn't noticed as much as The Lark or Rodeo fro example.
                              A very interesting observation. I wonder what makes us more/less notice the repeats? Have we accepted certain works as a kind of nice fillers between the chats and now being more sensitive to a new set of works being introduced in this way? And is their selection arbitrary?

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                              • aeolium
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3992

                                #30
                                The Hebrides Overture is around the 12 dozen mark for example
                                Do you really mean that, sc? Grossly disproportionate, surely.

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