Late Junction - agenda?

[Bryn]

I missed that edition
but your comments make me want to go and have a listen

sounds interesting stuff

I have not listened (yet) either, but a quick glance at the listing does indicate a level of incompetence (indeed, two levels - where is the headlined Rhodri in the listing?).

[Frances_iom]

Kevmusic - you have now seen the actual listnership of LJ - (are there more than 5 posters on the 'world music' board - even the Imperial neo-fashion designers seem to be ignoring it.

[teamsaint]

Kevmusic - you have now seen the actual listnership of LJ - (are there more than 5 posters on the 'world music' board - even the Imperial neo-fashion designers seem to be ignoring it.

quality of listener(or poster) is what counts.... have you heard spire FM?!(They have lots of" listeners")
Probably not..you don't need to...

[Frances_iom]

quality of listener(or poster) is what counts......

then why did Wright remove most of the 'elite' R3 slots eg Organ music, less well known chamber works etc - even the orchestral concerts now seem to be stables for old warhorses. I'm not denying that 'World Music' deserves some air time but under Wright it was placed on a tall pedestal - possibly to keep its clay feet out of sight - maybe bring it back to a weekly slot and reuse the time for other genres.

[handsomefortune]

oh come on, you're not resorting to numbers on a forum to indicate anything about 'listeners' are you frances? (where's the explanation of what all nw1 listeners are (supposedly) like)?

'late junction' does normally contain all sorts of 'odds and s*ds' kevmusic....but my point is, it is normally discussed in the world music section....that's all i was saying...not that it matters ...much at all.

very few cyclist fatalities caused by my vexed attention to the radio.

well that is reassuring...though how many is your 'few'! i hope it's not like my mum's 'couple' for instance.....which could be anything between one and six of whatever!

why don't you listen to a few late junction's another time..... may be when you're not doing a tedious journey kevmusic? may be try several tracks...and then give it lordy on the forum! otherwise i might listen to opera while hoovering, and after 4 mins have a feeble rant about all opera being rubbish.....and other preposterous suggestions, led by personal taste (and haste) alone.

every now and again i seem to discover a piece of music that i really like.... on late junction, which makes it worthwhile imo. same goes for other music programmes....though i realise that, as a listener, i am in a queue....sort of: i'm not going to like every track played... not by a long chalk.

[teamsaint]

Handsome, this is my beef with genre radio. ok, its got its place, and it is important to have areas of specialisation.. but one of the great virtues of radio is surely to confront us with the unexpected....
"Breakfast" could do this so well....

[kevmusic]

Handsomefortune, I have been listening to Late Junction since its inception. I don't know what gives you the impression I'm a Johnny-come-lately to the show (though I am one to this forum), and I have have heard pieces I wish to follow up (in a good way) on several occasions over the years. However, the track I heard was more grist to the mill in my current dis-affection with R3, so I admit I may have been quick to arrive at my state of annoyance.

But it was justified. Consider this: (here I will attempt verbally describe music) three or four layers of texture - acoustic guitar, bass and percussion. At the moment of switching on the track was in progress and consisted of the guitar playing an arpeggeated pattern over the tonic harmony (which seemed to repeat every four bars or so), the bass playing a standard I-V-I and the percussion adding South American atmosphere. Apart from being hardly ground-breaking stuff, this music went on to do.......well, nothing. It stayed on the same harmony, with the same patterns, at the same dynamic and with the same texture - no additions or subtractions - for all of the four minutes or so that I could stand it. It really didn't take much concentrated study. The musical content could be assimilated in [I]seconds[I].

And why do you think it's important to make value judgements about the potency, or otherwise, of my rant?

[handsomefortune]

it's 'important' because a good rant is important kevmusic, and usually aims to attract attention. and because maybe one shouldn't really rant about one duff tune, heard in a car ... i gave the example of my response to opera (while hoovering) to try to illustrate why this is also a slightly absurd basis to start from....but obviously you didn't get my (badly made) point...

i guess, one duff tune does not spoil a whole programme, or ruin all progs. but fair enough keymusic...i get the impression you probably don't like electronica, or minimalism that much perhaps? whereas i do...it's just down to taste after all. you also seem to have skipped over the irony that the tune might just reflect 'the rudderless state' of a lot of things, not to mention the significance of looped repetition in current times... even though you originally wrote 'and just walked away' in mssge 1.....(perhaps a return to the same hideous tune might up your rant ratings!? that - i would admire )

both descriptions sound intriguing tbh .... and might appeal to my taste ....therefore i do feel i can make 'value judgements' ....since you are... tbh!

more grist to the mill in my current dis-affection with R3, so I admit I may have been quick to arrive at my state of annoyance.

yes, i know the feeling well, but condolences anyway, and you're definitely on the right forum on that score!

[handsomefortune]

"Breakfast" could do this so well....

not for me it couldn't teamsaint .....i can't stand anything much in the mornings.... unless i've specifically lined up a piece of music to listen to myself.

i don't tend to risk 'serendipity' till much later on tbh.

[MrGongGong]

Consider this: (here I will attempt verbally describe music) three or four layers of texture - acoustic guitar, bass and percussion. At the moment of switching on the track was in progress and consisted of the guitar playing an arpeggeated pattern over the tonic harmony (which seemed to repeat every four bars or so), the bass playing a standard I-V-I and the percussion adding South American atmosphere. Apart from being hardly ground-breaking stuff, this music went on to do.......well, nothing. It stayed on the same harmony, with the same patterns, at the same dynamic and with the same texture - no additions or subtractions - for all of the four minutes or so that I could stand it. It really didn't take much concentrated study. The musical content could be assimilated in [I]seconds[I].

So are you suggesting that the lack of complexity indicates a lack of quality ?
It seems that what you are saying is that you like variety in the music you listen to, which is fine
but i'm intrigued by you saying that "The musical content could be assimilated in seconds" , which could be a statement of high praise in other contexts. One could say the same thing about Debussy's Piano Preludes ?

[kevmusic]

So are you suggesting that the lack of complexity indicates a lack of quality ?

(I knew it would be dangerous to try to verbally describe music!) In this case, yes. Or rather, a lack of merit. I have a Yamaha Tyros keyboard. In the styles section, under Latin American, you will find various arcane latin rhythms and if you select, say, ''Guijira', at the suggested tempo of 118, press 'synchro start' then a major chord...........and there you have it. Your passport to a slot on the UK's premier classical music radio network!

"The musical content could be assimilated in seconds"

That was in response to handsome's assertion that I was making preposterous statements in haste - I was implying that it really needn't have taken any longer.

Handsome, chaque a son gout though I do wonder if something as insipid as my example could inspire something as high as taste. You're right, in that I'm not drawn to the genres you mention, bu-u-t if I make myself a captive audience - say, in a car - then I will give it a good listen. I have my tastes but I believe strongly in eclectisism and always seek to widen my boundaries. This experience was the aural equivalent of the Chinese water torture.

[MrGongGong]

(I knew it would be dangerous to try to verbally describe music!) In this case, yes. Or rather, a lack of merit. I have a Yamaha Tyros keyboard. In the styles section, under Latin American, you will find various arcane latin rhythms and if you select, say, ''Guijira', at the suggested tempo of 118, press 'synchro start' then a major chord...........and there you have it. Your passport to a slot on the UK's premier classical music radio network!
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Aaah

So i guess you are using the "child of 6 could do it" argument
or even "where's the skill in that ?" (http://resonancefm.com/archives/136)

So is "merit" to do with originality ? (I think if it was then some Haydn symphonies might be a bit "problematic" )
or "novelty" ?

and I'm wondering whether you can really give anything a "good listen" in a car ?
I doubt it ........

how about this then ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFxFWNbW8rk&feature=fvwrel

(R3 isn't a "classical music radio network" sorry for the pedantry)

[kevmusic]

Aaah

So i guess you are using the "child of 6 could do it" argument

Yes, I suppose I am. Why not?

Did I say "merit" was to do with originality? Or "novelty"? i think merit is self explanatory.

And yes, I know R3 isn't a classical music network, but as irony had been mentioned a little earlier in the thread, I thought I'd indulge in a little myself.

[eighthobstruction]

That damn IrONy....catches me out every time....

[kevmusic]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b01npj8w/

It starts at 26:10. I've now listened to it in the comfort of my own home - no distractions, no cyclists and good speakers. I could hear a lot more detail, especially in the bass. The performance could definitely NOT be managed by the average 6 year-old. But it still drove me bonkers. Uniform dynamic level. Melodic range was zilch (both in pitch and ideas) and its journey? - well, it started at A and finished at A. However, in his intro Max did include the health warning, 'country music'............