Late Junction - agenda?

**Serial_Apologist** · 09-11-12, 16:55

Sounds like quite a lot of Minimalism, kev - waiting for the melody that never comes, or the missing improviser.

**Frances_iom** · 09-11-12, 16:59

my take on LJ is that the actual music doesn't matter - its function is to make the NW1 'intellectual' class happy that they are supporting the opressed millions by listening to westernised versions of some other nations' music of which they have no knowledge nor I suspect understanding - still it provides support for the record labels as where else could it be plugged.

**kevmusic** · 09-11-12, 17:10

At least I managed to miss out on the presenter telling me how fantastic it was, what album it was from, label etc.:rolleyes:

**teamsaint** · 09-11-12, 20:26

Kev,World on 3 has been decent recently...try that instead !

**Flosshilde** · 09-11-12, 20:43

Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post

my take on LJ is that the actual music doesn't matter - its function is to make the NW1 'intellectual' class happy that they are supporting the opressed millions by listening to westernised versions of some other nations' music of which they have no knowledge nor I suspect understanding - still it provides support for the record labels as where else could it be plugged.

I thought that was what World Music was about?

**Paul Sherratt** · 09-11-12, 21:06

>>>>>>I thought that was what World Music was about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>its function is to make the NW1 'intellectual' class happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Apologies if this programme/general rant has been done before -

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**Frances_iom** · 09-11-12, 21:17

Paul happy to amuse - hows the business going then now the plugging program is on the graveyard shift?

**Paul Sherratt** · 10-11-12, 08:10

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**Paul Sherratt** · 10-11-12, 09:02

An answer at last ?

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**handsomefortune** · 10-11-12, 15:31

Originally posted by kevmusic View Post

decent stuff I can listen to for the twenty-minute journey. After three or four minutes I was angry and turned it off. What is the point? Who thinks we're going to be edified by this? Seriously, is there an agenda for providing a platform for music that is so boring it makes you want to bang your head against the wall. Phew! That feels better.

well it might feel better for you kevmusic - but as rants, or tirades go, it was imo pretty limp, perhaps have a rest and try again later!? posting on the world music section of the forum preferably, as i believe this section is in theory for classical music discussion.

after careful consideration, a short term solution might be to furnish yourself with an 'in car' listening cupboard: inside your car door, glove compartment, boot etc fill with a library of 'innocuous' tapes/cds to taste. did you turn the radio on initially because you felt vaguely like banging your head against a wall, and needed a distraction from a tedious car ride from a to b per chance?

congratulations btw

you allowed the programme in question even less time than i allow for some foreign opera plugging on r3..before becoming annoyed. well done for cutting vital seconds off the race to boredom and increased anxiety! i've usually decided well before listening to opera to detest it - am proved right (nearly) every time, am a completely self satisfying customer in this respect.

encouraging intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement usually implies grasping that our own responses may need careful maintenance, and tweeking, and perhaps a challenge where personal response appears stuck in a rut. but usually i have to put some effort into this process. this far, you've definitely mastered the art of the car radio on and off switch positions.....so you're really close to accessing personal edification. but remember, it's not always delivered to listeners as quickly as a pizza might be to a front door. as a listener, consider yourself in a queue ...metaphorically. but personally, i'd prefer you stuck to the terminally innocuous & instantly accessible ...and road safety, .....ideally. this is arguably a moral priority and an area that may require improvement most, judging by your post. as a pedestrian, and cyclist, i hate to think of motorists relishing banging their heads tbh, but nevertheless this explains why many drive as they do!

Seriously, is there an agenda for providing a platform odd terminology that...i always think those who reckon others have got an agenda have often got a much bigger agenda themselves (that they're invariably bursting to share). as for 'platforms'.... i rarely think of my radio as providing 'platforms'.... it does provide programmes that sometimes have bits in that are brilliant, and bits that i detest....the longer i listen, the more of each plus or minus response i am able to collect. i tend to reserve 'platforms' for oil rigs, railways and IT employees.

THE agenda i am aware of, is a general one of economy, cuts, increased political sensitivity, and paranoia at the institution known as THE beeb. other than that, i don't think max himself has one.... perhaps it's high time he did? nevertheless,, thanks for the 'recommendation', i look forward to listening again to thursday's 'late junction' (which usually benefits from several listens, music played being very varied). comparatively, 'late junction' is blissfully free of hype.... tedious, over used adjectives like 'fantastic' are rare. preferably, i don't listen 'in a car'....i much prefer being armed with a biro, scrap paper, and google/utube at the ready before tuning to world music on my radio, in my kitchen. a shame you missed the artist & record label details ..... but doubtless i'll recognise your description in max's track list, can judge for myself. i'll bear in mind that this is the one kevmusic doesn't like!

what is the point? i'm not entirely sure tbh kevmusic, i may have to consult my book on existentialism....but hope to get back to you on a re-curing theme...which in itself might be interpreted as a form of popularity, as this pressing question is invariably asked over and over again, and through out 20th c history! perhaps the very track that annoyed you so, also asked 'what is the point'? in its own subtle way ....? and your response was to take the hump, wish it was another tune, and abort.....which at least puts you in control of your own ''head bashing' again, hence a fresh sense of purpose, and no car accident. what's not to like?

incidentally, brandishing a london post code with intent is usually done with a ready made stereotype attached. (though i think it might suit those who haven't actually visited london since about ooo.. 1988)? on the world music thread about the plight of contemporary musicians in mali, for instance, comparisons about muzwell hill radio listeners are presumably supposed to make us shriek, stagger back in horror at the possibility that we might be a little like them in (apparently) enjoying music that has its roots elsewhere? though personally, i find nw1 such an odd post code to choose....am confused by what specific generalisation/s i am supposed to be routinely insulted by, if indirectly? so some clues would be useful, if possible, so that i can really, properly take offence.

**kevmusic** · 10-11-12, 16:54

Good heavens!

**kevmusic** · 10-11-12, 18:30

I may be missing a trick here. Has LJ always been a world music slot? I only ask because I've heard choral music ancient and modern, and jazz from early Ellington to Trygve Seim - as well as world music - over the years. I've always thought of it as an Odd Music programme. Sort of, anything but the standard classical repertoire.

Back to the point, I will nail my colours to the mast and state that in my humble opinion, the music I heard deserved no airtime on any radio station whatsoever. It simply was without merit. There was little skill in the performance and musically, it just didn't start.

after careful consideration, a short term solution might be to furnish yourself with an 'in car' listening cupboard: inside your car door, glove compartment, boot etc fill with a library of 'innocuous' tapes/cds to taste. did you turn the radio on initially because you felt vaguely like banging your head against a wall, and needed a distraction from a tedious car ride from a to b per chance?

Radios and recorded music have co-existed for decades and sometimes it is nice to have serendipity making the choice. And, to put handsomefortune's mind at rest, there were very few cyclist fatalities caused by my vexed attention to the radio.

**Frances_iom** · 10-11-12, 19:19

Originally posted by kevmusic View Post

I may be missing a trick here. Has LJ always been a world music slot? .

It started as compare + constrast somewhat themed 30 min weekly program in which the idea seemed to be to bring out otherwise unnoticed similarities as well as different approaches to the same musical 'problem'.
Quite quickly it morphed into more of a 'world music' DJ led show though it did on one occasion play IIRC a Beethoven SQ with jarring unrelated music between movements - it was one of Wright's wrecking balls to destroy the 'elitist' R3 evening gaining plaudits from certain newspaper columnists who couldn't even spell Beethoven let alone know what sort of music he wrote (as for Bach wasn't that a Welsh swear word) but were convinced that R3 + classical western music was elitist (they forgot Ravi Shankar's comments re Beatles and classical Indian music) - R3 suffered this 4 evenings a week for 90mins from 9pm onwards 'forcing' the other Wright innovation of 'listen up' in which shreds of concerts were patched together and introduced by continuity announcers - once the publicity gained by a demo tape had worn off even Wright reckoned that world music listeners were only interested in the unusual noises which having little or no structure soon palled and those in the Industry, as possibly Paul can relate, found that there was little or no real audience for much of it, though some bits of more popular 'pop' had come over from R1 - remember AK and the few embarrassing occasions he had to advertise classical items.

**MrGongGong** · 10-11-12, 19:34

Originally posted by kevmusic View Post

Back to the point, I will nail my colours to the mast and state that in my humble opinion, the music I heard deserved no airtime on any radio station whatsoever. It simply was without merit. There was little skill in the performance and musically, it just didn't start.

I missed that edition
but your comments make me want to go and have a listen

sounds interesting stuff

Late Junction - agenda?

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