Breakfast hijacked by Private Eye?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

well it is not just breakfast ... jazz is being ruthlessly morphed into presenter led programming ... which is what is going on at Breakfast etc ... certain things come with the style ... producer capture so product/service is diminished, personality dominates authority [too boring a know all], we do not have management or leadership of any sensitivity or intelligence we have a court, courtiers and the latest opinion .... etc ...

we do have to bottom out this popular/populist license feepayers equity thing with a serious cultural asset vital to our society and its people ... we still have not made them happy bedfellows and there is a significant lack of confidence in political, trustee and management circles .... a zone of uncertainty and wobble that can lead to systemic surges of opinion and policies .... currently Thompson and his Mass Market Consumer Goods;Consumables;Personalrecreation;Refreshment;a ges2-4 adviser running radio are off on a serious binge of populism modulated by shame .... an absolute crisis of confidence that one can see all over the british establishment ...... my bet is that if we cannot solve breakfast then we are screwed as a nation ....

[salymap]

I wonder whether Charlotte Green knows anything about music and would like a change from reading the news on R4? I really like her voice.

[amateur51]

I wonder whether Charlotte Green knows anything about music and would like a change from reading the news on R4? I really like her voice.

I do too, salymap but given her propensity for corpsing we should keep her away from Schütz and Scheidt as much as possible

[amateur51]

[QUOTE=salymap;150965]Oops a repeat

[Chris Newman]

I do too, salymap but given her propensity for corpsing we should keep her away from Schütz and Scheidt as much as possible

Or Johann Fux!

[vinteuil]

Mr Handley is top notch

... sadly I think even the estimable Mr Handley has been corrupted by the zeitgeist. He's always been a little bit pleased with himself - but in recent days the self-references have grown out of all proportion - "when I was on holiday in Switzerland ... " "I was just sitting down to a sachertorte..." - "I was just sampling a glass of gluhwein..." - "when I was conducting la Traviata... " - "When I was touring in the States..." - "When I was conducting in Australia... "


Enough already! We know you're a bona fide musician. We know you have travelled. We know you have a sweet tooth and like sentimental stuff and aren't afraid of schmaltz - now shuddup and give us the MUSIC....

[Nick Armstrong]

... sadly I think even the estimable Mr Handley has been corrupted by the zeitgeist. He's always been a little bit pleased with himself - but in recent days the self-references have grown out of all proportion - "when I was on holiday in Switzerland ... " "I was just sitting down to a sachertorte..." - "I was just sampling a glass of gluhwein..." - "when I was conducting la Traviata... " - "When I was touring in the States..." - "When I was conducting in Australia... "


Enough already! We know you're a bona fide musician. We know you have travelled. We know you have a sweet tooth and like sentimental stuff and aren't afraid of schmaltz - now shuddup and give us the MUSIC....

[Carmen]

Well, yes; but I suspect that there wouldn't be the consensus (such as it is) on these 'Boards about which voices grate as there is about the presentation style these voices adopt. Patricia Hughes was the only voice on R3 that I heard as a teenager that made me feel as if I wasn't really welcome as a listener, and yet Bamber Gascoigne and others have put her forward as the model of civilized broadcasting. You are very critical of SM-P's voice, yet, when she uses it intelligently (on Hear & Now, for example) I find it as warm and communicative as I could wish.

At the risk of sounding a tad pretentious, I never needed to feel "welcomed" by Patricia Hughes. She was no chum of mine (as Sarah et al are trying to be), but simply a broadcaster doing her job to the best of her ability. That was enough to make me feel a communion with her in the early morning. I haven't heard Sarah M-P on "Hear and Now", and I wouldn't deny she tries hard to be warm and communicative on "Breakfast", but her style, for me, is just so incredibly (a word she overuses, to put it mildly) irritating, and she isn't alone. She and her ilk were deliberately imported to make R3 sound more like Classic FM. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

[kernelbogey]

[...] I haven't heard Sarah M-P on "Hear and Now", and I wouldn't deny she tries hard to be warm and communicative on "Breakfast", but her style, for me, is just so incredibly (a word she overuses, to put it mildly) irritating, and she isn't alone. She and her ilk were deliberately imported to make R3 sound more like Classic FM. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

She first appeared on R3 IIRC introducing concerts from Scotland. As I posted elsewhere I thought she was good to begin with. I think she's been corrupted by the all-powerful producers/suits referred to elsewhere on this and other threads.

I wonder whether Martin Handley's use of 'I' statements (criticised above) are a response to the same kind of pressure.

[John Skelton]

I haven't heard Sarah M-P on "Hear and Now", and I wouldn't deny she tries hard to be warm and communicative on "Breakfast", but her style, for me, is just so incredibly (a word she overuses, to put it mildly) irritating, and she isn't alone. She and her ilk were deliberately imported to make R3 sound more like Classic FM. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

Carmen - it's Sara Mohr-Pietsch, not Sarah .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Mohr-Pietsch

https://www.isis-publishing.co.uk/osb/showitem.cfm/category/2096

Sara Mohr-Pietsch is the one with the specialist musical background. To be contrary, I've never been comfortable with the manner of presentation on Radio 3. It has always sounded contrived (from the hushed 'and now we go over to the ROYAL Festival Hall' of yesteryear to 'great tweet just come in!' of so now it's tomorrow already). It's the intrusive contentless content now that bugs me. And the insistence that I have to be part of a community of listeners. And the safety first programming. And the bits and pieces.

[Carmen]

Carmen - it's Sara Mohr-Pietsch, not Sarah .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Mohr-Pietsch

https://www.isis-publishing.co.uk/osb/showitem.cfm/category/2096

Sara Mohr-Pietsch is the one with the specialist musical background. To be contrary, I've never been comfortable with the manner of presentation on Radio 3. It has always sounded contrived (from the hushed 'and now we go over to the ROYAL Festival Hall' of yesteryear to 'great tweet just come in!' of so now it's tomorrow already). It's the intrusive contentless content now that bugs me. And the insistence that I have to be part of a community of listeners. And the safety first programming. And the bits and pieces.

Thanks for the spelling correction. And for the Wikipedia link - there's that "incredibly" again!

[Bryn]

Carmen - it's Sara Mohr-Pietsch, not Sarah .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Mohr-Pietsch

https://www.isis-publishing.co.uk/osb/showitem.cfm/category/2096

Sara Mohr-Pietsch is the one with the specialist musical background. To be contrary, I've never been comfortable with the manner of presentation on Radio 3. It has always sounded contrived (from the hushed 'and now we go over to the ROYAL Festival Hall' of yesteryear to 'great tweet just come in!' of so now it's tomorrow already). It's the intrusive contentless content now that bugs me. And the insistence that I have to be part of a community of listeners. And the safety first programming. And the bits and pieces.

SM-P in not so much the one with the specialist musical knowledge more one of the presenters with such knowledge. She is, of course, the one who got the job via a talent competition.

Take a look at the potted biographies and academic and musical background and current activities of each of the Radio 3 presenters.

[Crowcatcher]

At the risk of sounding a tad pretentious, I never needed to feel "welcomed" by Patricia Hughes. She was no chum of mine (as Sarah et al are trying to be), but simply a broadcaster doing her job to the best of her ability. That was enough to make me feel a communion with her in the early morning. I haven't heard Sarah M-P on "Hear and Now", and I wouldn't deny she tries hard to be warm and communicative on "Breakfast", but her style, for me, is just so incredibly (a word she overuses, to put it mildly) irritating, and she isn't alone. She and her ilk were deliberately imported to make R3 sound more like Classic FM. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

I once knew a R3 technical operator who worked with Patricia Hughes, apparently, whilst the music was playing she sat drawing the most fabulous pictures of horses.

I miss her presence greatly and have a recording of her introducing Wilfred Brown's recording of 'Dies Natalis' - bliss on both counts.

[Carmen]

SM-P in not so much the one with the specialist musical knowledge more one of the presenters with such knowledge. She is, of course, the one who got the job via a talent competition.

Take a look at the potted biographies and academic and musical background and current activities of each of the Radio 3 presenters.

Which only goes to show: specialist knowledge and garlands from academia are no guarantees of wonderfulness.

[Osborn]

There was a Friday Breakfast months ago, hosted by Rob C, when every work/excerpt played, bar one, was performed by dead people (I checked the listings that evening). I won't listen to him now. On the following Monday Sara's playlist was (almost) all performed by active living artists. OK the producer may have a lot of influence on the selection of works played. But who chooses the featured performers?

In general I think R3 should treat this decision as seriously as the works themselves & we should have plenty of opportunity to sample up to date interpretations by people we can see or hear live in concert.

Chatter may be irritating for older people who want the station tailormade to their requirements but it doesn't bother me much. I just want an occasional 45mins of Breakfast to give me a decent start to the day, give me a news summary within that 45mins & hopefully some new music or performers to think about.