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  • Stanfordian
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 9314

    #61
    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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    ... sorry, Richard - you'll have to have a word with Ian Skelly - 11:08 Wed 4 July, decidedly taRAYga

    [ Francisco Tárrega - Recuerdos de la Alhambra, arr Ruggiero Ricci perf Ning Feng, vln ]


    ... and he did it again at 11:18.
    Hiya vinteuil,

    Please remind me how is Tárrega is pronounced!

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    • Richard Tarleton

      #62
      Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
      Hiya vinteuil,

      Please remind me how is Tárrega is pronounced!
      Stress on first syllable! Where there is an accent in Spanish, you stress the accented syllable!

      The rules of Spanish pronunciation are clear and consistent. Stress is either regular or irregular. If irregular, the syllable to be stressed is marked with an accent. If a word is regular, and ends with a vowel (or n, or s), stress is on the penultimate syllable, with no accent. (If it ends with a consonant, other than n or s, stress on the last syllable).

      Thus the composer Torroba's name is regular - no accent, stress on the penultimate syllable. Tárrega is irregular, accent and stress on the first syllable.

      Thanks vints, a missile is heading in Ian Skelly's direction.

      PS I was in the garden, listening instead to my neighbour's chain saw, a sound I would in any case have found preferable to the misbegotten Ricci arrangement of Recuerdos, which at best sounds like a severe attack of hiccups.
      Last edited by Guest; 04-07-18, 11:11.

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      • Richard Tarleton

        #63
        Ian Skelly has replied - "Noted" -

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #64
          So, it's like the female of "Tarragon"?
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Richard Tarleton

            #65
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            So, it's like the female of "Tarragon"?
            Erm, yes, I suppose so - tarragon not a Spanish word.....Just stress the first syllable! The accent is the clue. Thus Torroba (regular, no accent, stress on penultimate syllable). Tárrega - irregular - stress on first syllable. Renata Tarragó - the first woman to record the Concierto de Aranjuez - irregular, stress on last syllable. Tarragona - place in Catalonia - regular, stress on penultimate syllable........

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #66
              Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
              Erm, yes, I suppose so - tarragon not a Spanish word.....Just stress the first syllable! The accent is the clue. Thus Torroba (regular, no accent, stress on penultimate syllable). Tárrega - irregular - stress on first syllable. Renata Tarragó - the first woman to record the Concierto de Aranjuez - irregular, stress on last syllable. Tarragona - place in Catalonia - regular, stress on penultimate syllable........
              I think that that's a paraygon of an answer, RT!
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Richard Tarleton

                #67


                Anyway, full marks to Skellers for prompt and gracious response(s)

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                • Stanfordian
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 9314

                  #68
                  I'd like to hear Sean pronounce Torroba, Tárrega, and Turina in quick succession.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37699

                    #69
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    So, it's like the female of "Tarragon"?
                    You mean the Spice Girl?

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30302

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                      Ian Skelly has replied - "Noted" -
                      Richard - you're a star. If there is one thing that Radio 3 gets right it will be the pronunciation of Tárrega. Eventually. Perhaps.

                      And the rule is so simple, isn't it?

                      The accent is the clue. Thus Torroba (regular, no accent, stress on penultimate syllable). Tárrega - irregular - stress on first syllable. Renata Tarragó - the first woman to record the Concierto de Aranjuez - irregular, stress on last syllable. Tarragona - place in Catalonia - regular, stress on penultimate syllable........
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Richard Tarleton

                        #71
                        Suzy Klein has just....got it right! ¡Enhorabuena, felicitaciones! . Word has finally got around. Ian Skelly may well be responsible for this, after our recent exchange, in which case thank you Ian. In today's case it is paired () with Albeniz Asturias, the other most overplayed piece in the guitar repertoire, only today in its original form on the piano.

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                        • underthecountertenor
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 1584

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                          Suzy Klein has just....got it right! ¡Enhorabuena, felicitaciones! . Word has finally got around. Ian Skelly may well be responsible for this, after our recent exchange, in which case thank you Ian. In today's case it is paired () with Albeniz Asturias, the other most overplayed piece in the guitar repertoire, only today in its original form on the piano.
                          And, however, she got the Isaac of Albéniz wrong, at least first time around at about 9.30 am. I don't know what may have happened thereafter, as I switched off.

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                          • hmvman
                            Full Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 1107

                            #73
                            Petroc got it right for Tia Murray's Friday night prom encore. Perhaps the word is spreading....!

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                            • Richard Tarleton

                              #74
                              Originally posted by hmvman View Post
                              Petroc got it right for Tia Murray's Friday night prom encore. Perhaps the word is spreading....!
                              Thanks hmv. I take it she must have played that misbegotten transcription?

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                              • hmvman
                                Full Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 1107

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                                Thanks hmv. I take it she must have played that misbegotten transcription?
                                Well, yes, it was the well-known piece transcribed. Who made the transcription? Petroc didn't say.

                                (I meant Tai Murray btw. Apologies for my mis-typing )

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