Through the Night

[Anna]

Not too long a journey Caliban - Mr Zinman & his Tonhalle Slickers take the Eroica at an energetic lick - lively stuff!

I've just extracted my Zinman Beethoven symphs from the shelves, plus the piano concertos. I always give Norrington preference and thought I'd give Dave a whirl, now I think I should put him back on the shelf after Cali's damming verdict of them being nonsensical!

[Nick Armstrong]

I've just extracted my Zinman Beethoven symphs from the shelves, plus the piano concertos. I always give Norrington preference and thought I'd give Dave a whirl, now I think I should put him back on the shelf after Cali's damming verdict of them being nonsensical!

Too sweeping Anna.... I just said "some of the music". I think there are passages which are clearly played too fast. Some of it's great, bracing stuff though!

[Anna]

Some of it's great, bracing stuff though!

My Mum always said "If you can't say anything nice, ............. !" I have a double bank holiday, I'll be the judge of bracing, or not, thank you.

[Nick Armstrong]

My Mum always said "If you can't say anything nice, ............. !" I have a double bank holiday, I'll be the judge of bracing, or not, thank you.

Same here! Brace yourself!!

[Serial_Apologist]

Same here! Brace yourself!!

In Bristol, where I lived for several years, they called those things that are sometimes used to hold men's trousers up "bracers". Could this be unique?

[Nick Armstrong]

In Bristol, where I lived for several years, they called those things that are sometimes used to hold men's trousers up "bracers". Could this be unique?

Isn't it just a slight pronunciation difference from the usual "braces"?

[amateur51]

In Bristol, where I lived for several years, they called those things that are sometimes used to hold men's trousers up "bracers". Could this be unique?

I'd call them "fiddly"

[Roehre]

Whatever the qualities of another Mozart piano concerto or Beethoven symphony,
as that repertoire is represented well during daytime I prefer TtN for rare works like these:
(all TtN June 1 –still on iPlayer)

Palestrina
Sicut cervus (p.1581)
Gloriosi principes terrae (p.1581)
Ad te levavi oculos meos (p.1581)
Fundamenta ejus (p.1581)

Anon (Italian c.1400):
Istampitta 'Belicha'

Dufay
Rondeau 'Donnés l'assault' (1460s)

[hepzibah entwhistle]

That old stuff? Palestrina and Dufay! Radio 3 churns this stuff stuff day after day. No you're quite right. It's true, you NEVER hear a Beethoven Symphony or Mozart Piano Concertos during the daytime. It's such a welcome change to hear these marvellous old warhorses on Through the Night. I only ever want to hear music I've never heard before , and these pieces are just perfect.

[Roehre]

That old stuff? Palestrina and Dufay! Radio 3 churns this stuff stuff day after day. No you're quite right. It's true, you NEVER hear a Beethoven Symphony or Mozart Piano Concertos during the daytime. It's such a welcome change to hear these marvellous old warhorses on Through the Night. I only ever want to hear music I've never heard before , and these pieces are just perfect.

[Serial_Apologist]

That old stuff? Palestrina and Dufay! Radio 3 churns this stuff stuff day after day. No you're quite right. It's true, you NEVER hear a Beethoven Symphony or Mozart Piano Concertos during the daytime. It's such a welcome change to hear these marvellous old warhorses on Through the Night. I only ever want to hear music I've never heard before , and these pieces are just perfect.

My insomnia serves me well too!

[kernelbogey]

My insomnia serves me well too!

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...and the crucial difference with TTN is that all the performances were recorded live: not a CD in sight...!

[Serial_Apologist]

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...and the crucial difference with TTN is that all the performances were recorded live: not a CD in sight...!

Excellent point, KB.

[Bryn]

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...and the crucial difference with TTN is that all the performances were recorded live: not a CD in sight...!

Well it is played from a hard drive, but I first heard some of the performances broadcast on TtN in their CD releases. The oft repeated Octaphorus performance of an arrangement of Beethoven's Wellingtons Sieg oder die Schlacht bei Vittoria is a one such.

[kernelbogey]

Well it is played from a hard drive, but I first heard some of the performances broadcast on TtN in their CD releases. The oft repeated Octaphorus performance of an arrangement of Beethoven's Wellingtons Sieg oder die Schlacht bei Vittoria is a one such.

Well yes, I know it's off a hard drive (though I naively thought, in the early days of TTN, that Donald Macleod was sitting up all night with a flask of black coffee and a packet of Players ) - so I was mindful of my use of recorded live: dammit we need a variation of this vexatious word to mean recorded in a studio or in front of an audience with no retakes or patching, mistakes and all, hmm perhaps 'live' would do for that....

My point is also that TTN is shorn of all presenter-hubris: the music is centre stage, all the artists are credited whenever possible and the announcements and back announcements (thanks, Susan, John and Jonathan) are gently scholarly, informative and appropriately brief.

Bryn, are you saying that these (e.g. Wellingtons Sieg) are live recordings of performances that were separately recorded for CD - or that some are the same? I'm curious!