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  • Anna

    #76
    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
    Not too long a journey Caliban - Mr Zinman & his Tonhalle Slickers take the Eroica at an energetic lick - lively stuff!
    I've just extracted my Zinman Beethoven symphs from the shelves, plus the piano concertos. I always give Norrington preference and thought I'd give Dave a whirl, now I think I should put him back on the shelf after Cali's damming verdict of them being nonsensical!

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26523

      #77
      Originally posted by Anna View Post
      I've just extracted my Zinman Beethoven symphs from the shelves, plus the piano concertos. I always give Norrington preference and thought I'd give Dave a whirl, now I think I should put him back on the shelf after Cali's damming verdict of them being nonsensical!
      Too sweeping Anna.... I just said "some of the music". I think there are passages which are clearly played too fast. Some of it's great, bracing stuff though!
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Anna

        #78
        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        Some of it's great, bracing stuff though!
        My Mum always said "If you can't say anything nice, ............. !" I have a double bank holiday, I'll be the judge of bracing, or not, thank you.

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26523

          #79
          Originally posted by Anna View Post
          My Mum always said "If you can't say anything nice, ............. !" I have a double bank holiday, I'll be the judge of bracing, or not, thank you.
          Same here! Brace yourself!!
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37586

            #80
            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            Same here! Brace yourself!!
            In Bristol, where I lived for several years, they called those things that are sometimes used to hold men's trousers up "bracers". Could this be unique?

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26523

              #81
              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
              In Bristol, where I lived for several years, they called those things that are sometimes used to hold men's trousers up "bracers". Could this be unique?
              Isn't it just a slight pronunciation difference from the usual "braces"?
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • amateur51

                #82
                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                In Bristol, where I lived for several years, they called those things that are sometimes used to hold men's trousers up "bracers". Could this be unique?
                I'd call them "fiddly"

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                • Roehre

                  #83
                  Whatever the qualities of another Mozart piano concerto or Beethoven symphony,
                  as that repertoire is represented well during daytime I prefer TtN for rare works like these:
                  (all TtN June 1 –still on iPlayer)

                  Palestrina
                  Sicut cervus (p.1581)
                  Gloriosi principes terrae (p.1581)
                  Ad te levavi oculos meos (p.1581)
                  Fundamenta ejus (p.1581)

                  Anon (Italian c.1400):
                  Istampitta 'Belicha'

                  Dufay
                  Rondeau 'Donnés l'assault' (1460s)

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                  • hepzibah entwhistle

                    #84
                    That old stuff? Palestrina and Dufay! Radio 3 churns this stuff stuff day after day. No you're quite right. It's true, you NEVER hear a Beethoven Symphony or Mozart Piano Concertos during the daytime. It's such a welcome change to hear these marvellous old warhorses on Through the Night. I only ever want to hear music I've never heard before , and these pieces are just perfect.

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                    • Roehre

                      #85
                      Originally posted by hepzibah entwhistle View Post
                      That old stuff? Palestrina and Dufay! Radio 3 churns this stuff stuff day after day. No you're quite right. It's true, you NEVER hear a Beethoven Symphony or Mozart Piano Concertos during the daytime. It's such a welcome change to hear these marvellous old warhorses on Through the Night. I only ever want to hear music I've never heard before , and these pieces are just perfect.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37586

                        #86
                        Originally posted by hepzibah entwhistle View Post
                        That old stuff? Palestrina and Dufay! Radio 3 churns this stuff stuff day after day. No you're quite right. It's true, you NEVER hear a Beethoven Symphony or Mozart Piano Concertos during the daytime. It's such a welcome change to hear these marvellous old warhorses on Through the Night. I only ever want to hear music I've never heard before , and these pieces are just perfect.
                        My insomnia serves me well too!

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                        • kernelbogey
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5735

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          My insomnia serves me well too!
                          ....

                          ...and the crucial difference with TTN is that all the performances were recorded live: not a CD in sight...!

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                          • Serial_Apologist
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 37586

                            #88
                            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                            ....

                            ...and the crucial difference with TTN is that all the performances were recorded live: not a CD in sight...!
                            Excellent point, KB.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #89
                              Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                              ....

                              ...and the crucial difference with TTN is that all the performances were recorded live: not a CD in sight...!
                              Well it is played from a hard drive, but I first heard some of the performances broadcast on TtN in their CD releases. The oft repeated Octaphorus performance of an arrangement of Beethoven's Wellingtons Sieg oder die Schlacht bei Vittoria is a one such.

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                              • kernelbogey
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 5735

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                                Well it is played from a hard drive, but I first heard some of the performances broadcast on TtN in their CD releases. The oft repeated Octaphorus performance of an arrangement of Beethoven's Wellingtons Sieg oder die Schlacht bei Vittoria is a one such.
                                Well yes, I know it's off a hard drive (though I naively thought, in the early days of TTN, that Donald Macleod was sitting up all night with a flask of black coffee and a packet of Players ) - so I was mindful of my use of recorded live: dammit we need a variation of this vexatious word to mean recorded in a studio or in front of an audience with no retakes or patching, mistakes and all, hmm perhaps 'live' would do for that....

                                My point is also that TTN is shorn of all presenter-hubris: the music is centre stage, all the artists are credited whenever possible and the announcements and back announcements (thanks, Susan, John and Jonathan) are gently scholarly, informative and appropriately brief.

                                Bryn, are you saying that these (e.g. Wellingtons Sieg) are live recordings of performances that were separately recorded for CD - or that some are the same? I'm curious!

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