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  • Philidor
    Full Member
    • Feb 2021
    • 13

    Another depressing programme today featuring someone with no real interest in classical music. Today we had the Beatles, Karl Jenkins, some contemporary ephemera and one or two classical “greatest hits”. What’s the point? There are plenty of notable people out there with a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music. Can we have one on one week?

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    • oddoneout
      Full Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 8904

      Originally posted by Philidor View Post
      Another depressing programme today featuring someone with no real interest in classical music. Today we had the Beatles, Karl Jenkins, some contemporary ephemera and one or two classical “greatest hits”. What’s the point? There are plenty of notable people out there with a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music. Can we have one on one week?
      This might explain why the programme doesn't deliver what you want.
      Guests from all walks of life discuss their musical loves and hates, and talk about the influence music has had on their lives
      The kind of approach you mention is what I had expected "Inside Music" would deliver when it started but sadly didn't. Private Passions was never intended to do that though.

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      • kernelbogey
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 5641

        Originally posted by Philidor View Post
        Another depressing programme today featuring someone with no real interest in classical music. Today we had the Beatles, Karl Jenkins, some contemporary ephemera and one or two classical “greatest hits”. What’s the point? There are plenty of notable people out there with a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music. Can we have one on one week?
        There was no mention of the usual outside production company. I wonder if it's been brought in house. I thought the subject was much less interesting than many many previous guests.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 29844

          Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
          Private Passions was never intended to do that though.
          What never? Time Michael Berkeley was retired to make way for Harry Styles?
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • smittims
            Full Member
            • Aug 2022
            • 3685

            I'm with Philidor here. Unlike Desert Island Discs I do believe this programme is supposed to be part of a Radio 3 and indeed BBC tradition of leading the layman in to classical music. Predecessors included the rather archly titled Man of Action and I Know What I Like. Ideally it should enourage the listener to think 'well, if so-and-so can enjoy Stravinsky I'll give it a try'. It follows that it shouldn't be dumbed down into the general morass of 'hey, there are no barriers on Radio 3. Here's some Barry Manilow for you snobs to digest.' .

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            • Pulcinella
              Host
              • Feb 2014
              • 10634

              Originally posted by french frank View Post

              What never? Time Michael Berkeley was retired to make way for Harry Styles?
              I wonder who Harry Styles' godfather is: not Benjamin Britten, I assume.
              As I no longer listen to PP though, perhaps MB has stopped reminding us of his heritage every programme.

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              • smittims
                Full Member
                • Aug 2022
                • 3685

                Aww, that's a little unfair. And mentioning the divine Ben isn't always a bonus. Who was it went to lessons with Lizzie Lutyens and when she said 'you haven't got much talent' said 'I've been helped by Benjamin Britten'?

                Lutyens: You can take that smile off your face for a start.



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                • Pulcinella
                  Host
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 10634

                  Originally posted by smittims View Post
                  Aww, that's a little unfair. And mentioning the divine Ben isn't always a bonus. Who was it went to lessons with Lizzie Lutyens and when she said 'you haven't got much talent' said 'I've been helped by Benjamin Britten'?

                  Lutyens: You can take that smile off your face for a start.


                  You're probably right, but in the days when I used to listen there was rather too much name-dropping from the host for my liking!

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                  • LMcD
                    Full Member
                    • Sep 2017
                    • 8044

                    Originally posted by Philidor View Post
                    Another depressing programme today featuring someone with no real interest in classical music. Today we had the Beatles, Karl Jenkins, some contemporary ephemera and one or two classical “greatest hits”. What’s the point? There are plenty of notable people out there with a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music. Can we have one on one week?
                    I was anything but depressed by it, and it's surely not beyond the realms of possibility that Nina Stibbe (whose life and mine have certain things in common) might develop 'a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music' as a result of appearing on the programme. Or are private passions that are supposedly worth hearing the preserve of those who might have nothing to gain from such an experience?

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 29844

                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      it's surely not beyond the realms of possibility that Nina Stibbe (whose life and mine have certain things in common) might develop 'a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music' as a result of appearing on the programme.
                      It may in fact be the result. But surely that isn't the point of Radio 3? A programme to serve the purpose of one (probably) non listener?

                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      Or are private passions that are supposedly worth hearing the preserve of those who might have nothing to gain from such an experience?
                      I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be for the benefit of that one guest!

                      What I would question is not so much the guest's choice of music - or only secondarily - and which is their business, as much as the choice of guest which is R3's business. It becomes Radio 4 if the guest is chosen because they're an interesting person and have had an interesting life.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • gurnemanz
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7349

                        Originally posted by Philidor View Post
                        Another depressing programme today featuring someone with no real interest in classical music. Today we had the Beatles, Karl Jenkins, some contemporary ephemera and one or two classical “greatest hits”. What’s the point? There are plenty of notable people out there with a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music. Can we have one on one week?
                        Beatles? Utter rubbish. I did find her quite entertaining. Her choice of Brahms Second PC, Handel's Eternal Source of Light Divine and a duet from Magic Flute didn't really support your general point.


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                        • LMcD
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2017
                          • 8044

                          Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post

                          Beatles? Utter rubbish. I did find her quite entertaining. Her choice of Brahms Second PC, Handel's Eternal Source of Light Divine and a duet from Magic Flute didn't really support your general point.



                          Anybody who can write a best-selling book called 'Reasons To Be Cheerful' about a weird dentist is unlikely to come across as boring or depressing!
                          (We didn't hear The Beatles, by the way, we heard a post-Beatles song by Paul McCartney).
                          Last edited by LMcD; 07-01-24, 21:00.

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                          • cloughie
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22054

                            Originally posted by LMcD View Post


                            Anybody who can write a best-selling book called 'Reasons To Be Cheerful' about a weird dentist is unlikely to come across as boring or depressing!
                            (We didn't hear The Beatles, by the way, we heard a post-Beatles song by Paul McCartney).
                            The real Beatles was on Graham Nash’s Desert Island Discs!
                            Incidentally I wonder if the Jenkins work made me wonder if he had heard some C19th Cornish carols!
                            Also interesting that Nina felt that for family reasons the need to to return to London after 20 years in Cornwall but then found that she didn’t fit in there.

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                            • gradus
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 5558

                              Originally posted by smittims View Post
                              Aww, that's a little unfair. And mentioning the divine Ben isn't always a bonus. Who was it went to lessons with Lizzie Lutyens and when she said 'you haven't got much talent' said 'I've been helped by Benjamin Britten'?

                              Lutyens: You can take that smile off your face for a start.


                              That's a cracker!

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                              • LMcD
                                Full Member
                                • Sep 2017
                                • 8044

                                Originally posted by Philidor View Post
                                Another depressing programme today featuring someone with no real interest in classical music. Today we had the Beatles, Karl Jenkins, some contemporary ephemera and one or two classical “greatest hits”. What’s the point? There are plenty of notable people out there with a genuine passion for, and interest in, serious music. Can we have one on one week?
                                I'm not sure whether today's guest is 'notable', but he came across as a 'fun guy' with a genuine interest in, and exhaustive knowledge of, magic mushrooms.

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