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  • Lateralthinking1

    #31
    I will try. Say the average age of listeners to R3 from age 15 to 105 is 58 or 60. The average age will be lower than 58 or 60 for listeners to R3 from age 0 to 105 or 4 to 105.

    Now you might say hardly anyone between 0 and 14 will be listening to R3. I would ask how can we know. It might be that nearly all of the children of parents who listen to R3 also listen to R3. Given the nature of such households - attentiveness, musicality in families etc - I would even suggest that this is highly likely.

    And it hardly matters that children who listen to R3 will be very small in number compared with the rest of their age group. The same applies to adults of any age who listen to R3 compared with those in their age groups. So incorporating the 0-14s could conceivably bring the average age of listeners to R3 down quite considerably. I accept that, equally conceivably, it would bring it down only a little but again I would ask how can we know.

    We need fair and adequate consultation. Without such information, RW cannot say for certain that the average age of R3 listeners isn't younger than it was in the 60s and the 70s. This matters when we are forever being told about the changes in the number of listeners to R1 since its heyday in that era. It also matters when content changes are being made with no way of knowing whether they make any difference to the average age of listeners.

    And I suspect that R1's current figures are being hyped up by the 4-14s who almost certainly would have had no equivalent voice for providing feedback to broadcasters 30 or 40 years ago. As an aside, like it or not, and I don't much, R2 is probably a titan.
    Last edited by Guest; 28-11-11, 14:50.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30300

      #32
      Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View Post
      If the average age of people is 36 - I wonder why that is an official figure I seriously doubt - then we wouldn't wisely be taking much notice of it in regard to the average age of listeners to R3 which only takes account of over 14s.
      A couple of points first - not sure I'm entirely following you. The figure (39 actually) is the average age nationally calculated by the ONS. This will be accurate enough just after the census; thereafter is adjusted each year based on other statistics.

      The 'average RAJAR' age i.e. the average age of all adults of 15 and over is currently about 45. RAJAR collects all sorts of other information as well as listening so information is calculated on the basis of these weekly/quarterly samples. This is where the total population figure comes from which is crucial for computing weekly reach.
      As for the headline figures on audiences, R1 is doing worse than is revealed. The direct comparison each month with other stations is rubbish because only it among BBC stations that also appeal to some adults appears to take account of 4-14s.
      Not quite because the published figure is for 15+. I meant that they also have a 4-14 figure, but that isn't included in the main figure. I don't think it can be too reliable because it is probably based on information given by parents. I doubt many 4 year olds are taking informed decisions as to what station they want to listen to.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • johnb
        Full Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 2903

        #33
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        Let's take your premise on face value, for the sake of argument.

        I've done a rough calculation, based on ff's 2003/4 data, assuming that the average age of Radio 3 listeners was quoted as 57.

        If we base the listening of the children between 0 and 14 on the average of the categories '15-24', '25-34' and '35-44' (i.e. the likely age range of parents) this would drop the average listener age by approximately 1.5 years only (assuming a one to one - child to parent ratio).

        Even so, I'm not sure that it would be valid to include children who are hearing Radio 3 (or any other channel) not because they have chosen to listen to it but because their parents happen to be playing it.
        Last edited by johnb; 28-11-11, 15:51.

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        • Lateralthinking1

          #34
          Thank you for the clarification frenchfrank. I was taking informed decisions about radio at the age of five. Had my own transistor set. That is how I remember pirate radio and the start of Radio 1. I also had a good understanding of split station broadcasting and used to write down the Top 30 every Sunday. Have still got the lists somewhere. And I was a regular listener to Jack de Manio, Down Your Way and the Petticoat Line as Radio 4 was always on in the kitchen. I'd recognise the voice of Isobel Barnett any day.

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          • Reactionary Andrew
            Full Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 2

            #35
            Perhaps someone should write in to Your Call asking for some Sofia Gubaidulina or Brian Ferneyhough and see what happens.

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