Originally posted by french frank
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Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostAs someone who does listen to EC, as well as comment on it, I have to say SK is edging ever closer to driving me away. The originally rather irritating aspects have become so exaggerated as to be a caricature now, and are tending to taint my enjoyment of the music, doing nothing to foster a positive outlook in this listener.
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EC is not intended for serious listening - it is aimed at those who like a bit of a good tune not those deeply into 'Classical music' - like all such shows aimed at a general audience who possess little or no knowledge of the subject the presenter becomes more important than the material presented as the presenter sets the ethos of the show eg what can be dismissed with a quip hence the adoption of an exaggerated persona which the audience can relate to (think of the late top-gear presenter tho in his case I suspect the tv persona was very like the real one - it requires an exceptional presenter to be able to display real knowledge/appreciation yet still keep themselves viewed as 'one of us' by the intended audience
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Originally posted by Frances_iom View PostEC is not intended for serious listening - it is aimed at those who like a bit of a good tune not those deeply into 'Classical music' - like all such shows aimed at a general audience who possess little or no knowledge of the subject the presenter becomes more important than the material presented as the presenter sets the ethos of the show eg what can be dismissed with a quip hence the adoption of an exaggerated persona which the audience can relate to (think of the late top-gear presenter tho in his case I suspect the tv persona was very like the real one - it requires an exceptional presenter to be able to display real knowledge/appreciation yet still keep themselves viewed as 'one of us' by the intended audience
That you don't know what you've got 'Till it's gone . Actually I didn't have much problem with him until he made the transition to EC..... As for presenters on R3 needing to be "one of us" - what does that mean, exactly? One of who?
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Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View PostAs for presenters on R3 needing to be "one of us" - what does that mean, exactly? One of who?
I should add that I think the majority of human relationships are 'on the same level'. To be mutually satisfactory.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Richard Tarleton
The reductio ad absurdum of Frances's argument is that the main morning listening (3 hours) on the BBC's classical music programme is not for people with an interest in classical music...(just for people who happen to have the radio on, perhaps).
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Originally posted by Frances_iom View PostEC is not intended for serious listening - it is aimed at those who like a bit of a good tune not those deeply into 'Classical music' - like all such shows aimed at a general audience who possess little or no knowledge of the subject the presenter becomes more important than the material presented as the presenter sets the ethos of the show eg what can be dismissed with a quip hence the adoption of an exaggerated persona which the audience can relate to (think of the late top-gear presenter tho in his case I suspect the tv persona was very like the real one - it requires an exceptional presenter to be able to display real knowledge/appreciation yet still keep themselves viewed as 'one of us' by the intended audience
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Originally posted by LMcD View PostThe content of the programme is on thing, but the unbearable attitude of Bossy-Boots Klein is another.
In primary school, teachers are supposed to be dogmatic (not 'nebulous' ). Even when they're wrong, they can be assured that primary school children won't know (until they're much older) that they were wrong. It becomes progressively much more acceptable for teachers to admit to uncertainty or ignorance.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostShe seems to be playing the role assigned to her by Radio 3 management: "I am your trusted guide." Unfortunately, it is for each listener to decide whether a presenter is to be 'trusted'. Presenters who are a bit weak on factual accuracy tend not to be trusted.
In primary school, teachers are supposed to be dogmatic (not 'nebulous' ). Even when they're wrong, they can be assured that primary school children won't know (until they're much older) that they were wrong. It becomes progressively much more acceptable for teachers to admit to uncertainty or ignorance.
I learned my lesson and served up the old-hat stuff for the resit.
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostI don't know what the situation is today, but when I was at school, the approach referred to in your first two sentences applies to the secondary years' science teaching, too. First time round, I failed both Physics and Chemistry ')' levels as a result of giving answers based on then current scientific understanding rather than the historical misunderstanding we were taught, and expected to regurgitate.
I learned my lesson and served up the old-hat stuff for the resit.
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Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View PostThe reductio ad absurdum of Frances's argument is that the main morning listening (3 hours) on the BBC's classical music programme is not for people with an interest in classical music...(just for people who happen to have the radio on, perhaps).
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostThe 'playlister' piece for which a companion is sought this morning is Eine Alpensinfonie...
Just saying....
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostThe 'playlister' piece for which a companion is sought this morning is Eine Alpensinfonie...
Just saying....It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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