Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte
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Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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Originally posted by french frank View PostDidn't hear it (as you know!) but 'aggressive' is just the word that occurred to me when I heard about it. A kind of unwilling admission of fault - perhaps under pressure? - rather than an apology. Some people have no difficulty in openly admitting a mistake, others try to wriggle their way out of it.
Have been thinking about this since: is it with the rise of the 'presenter as personality/talent/star' &c? When 'announcers' were lower profile (even anonymous) their reputation was not so much on the line; and their whole professional attitude towards their audience (now 'my fans'/friends) seemed different
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Originally posted by french frank View PostDidn't hear itt
For an arbitrary listen, it was an utterly dire experience.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostI had to pop to the supermarket and didn't think that the ten(-ish)-minute trip was worth hunting a CD out for, and thought I'd do my Forum duty and give EC another "go". In the (slightly over) quarter-hour of the programme that I heard, I was informed (not by Ms Klein - it was a trailer) that "if my idea of Keats was somebody lounging on an Ottoman" (it never has been!) I could think again. Then I was given a list of suggestions to follow on from a piece by John Adams that I hadn't heard. Then the first movement of Tchaikovsky violin concerto, by which time I'd reached the supermarket. On return I caught the end of the Couperin piece, and was then treated to Ms Klein's hissy fit, followed by Sarah Walker talking over the Bryars piece that she was urging me to listen to (not Dr Walker's fault - her introduction to the piece was recorded separately and the two were broadcast, consecutively, on Saturday's H&N - the "simultaneous broadcast" was the EC team's bright idea).
For an arbitrary listen, it was an utterly dire experience.
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Originally posted by underthecountertenor View PostYou caught much the same as I did, and therefore presumably heard the demotic 'welcome to the gang'.
Did she ever specify - Jets or Sharks?[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostNo - I've just checked and that comment occurred just after the Tchaikovsky, at which approximate time I was rootling around at the back of the mushrooms for the pummet with the longest date.
Did she ever specify - Jets or Sharks?
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Originally posted by underthecountertenor View PostWell, given that a few minutes earlier, she had said, of someone who was contributing to the playlist thing for the first time, 'welcome to the gang,'It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View PostRobert Simpson's book is unequivocal: "It was composed in 1903, when Nielsen and his wife visited Greece, staying in a room that overlooked the Aegean Sea."
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Originally posted by underthecountertenor View PostWell, given that a few minutes earlier, she had said, of someone who was contributing to the playlist thing for the first time, 'welcome to the gang,' I think you are pretty much spot-on here, ff. Gangs exclude as well as include, don't they?
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI think they should be 'developing' the audience (making it better, more broadly, informed, inquiring), they're merely trying to 'grow' it.
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Originally posted by gurnemanz View PostI have never been especially averse to SK, but her "gang" comment referred to above does seem to be to her detriment and confirms my decision not to tune in to EC any more. (I now only do so towards the end, not wishing to miss the start of CotW.) However, it seems from the compelling Nielsen contretemps that I might be missing something and there is some good fun to be had there after all. Maybe she feels she can get away with stuff like that especially if she has a gang to back her up.
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Originally posted by underthecountertenor View PostPeople I know and trust who also know SK say she is delightful. I can only assume that she is a victim of the format.
Sadly, the question of whether someone is 'delightful' or otherwise off air is totally irrelevant to those who only ever likely to know their on-air persona. But that's even more of a problem if presenters are encouraged to 'develop a persona' ('be young, be cool, be laid-back, be sassy').It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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