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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37589

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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    Wrack and ruin.

    The OED has many interesting columns under 'wrack', well worth a read.



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    ahinton was possibly getting mixed up with "rack and pinion" - in my 'pinion.

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    • Padraig
      Full Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 4225

      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      ahinton was possibly getting mixed up with "rack and pinion" - in my 'pinion.
      Do you reckon he was winging it, S_A?

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      • LMcD
        Full Member
        • Sep 2017
        • 8405

        Originally posted by antongould View Post
        Indeed but he shows signs of enjoying the format perhaps a little too much - how long, I wonder, until we have SAGAS - Skellers' Auld Girls And Sirs ..... ?????
        And a chart run-down: Skellers' Best Sellers'

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        • vinteuil
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12782

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          ... we're waiting for the move to TV, with "Ready Skelly Go!"


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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8778

            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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            ... we're waiting for the move to TV, with "Ready Skelly Go!"


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            Oh very good one vints .....

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16122

              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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              Wrack and ruin.

              The OED has many interesting columns under 'wrack', well worth a read.
              I was relying both on what might appear to be more recent usage and on https://www.macmillandictionary.com/...-rack-and-ruin and https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...-rack-and-ruin but it appears that it could be either...

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12782

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                'Rack and ruin' is an accepted alternative to the probably more etymologically sound 'wrack'.

                I just wondered why you chose to query my spelling.


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                • cloughie
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 22114

                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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                  'Rack and ruin' is an accepted alternative to the probably more etymologically sound 'wrack'.

                  I just wondered why you chose to query my spelling.


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                  Vin en vrac is event better!

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                  • vinteuil
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12782

                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    Vin en vrac is even better!
                    ... there's a happy thought!



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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16122

                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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                      'Rack and ruin' is an accepted alternative to the probably more etymologically sound 'wrack'.

                      I just wondered why you chose to query my spelling.
                      Not to criticise you for it but because I was unaware at the time of doing so that either was an alternative to the other.

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                      • ahinton
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 16122

                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                        ... there's a happy thought!

                        Indeed so!

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                        • Sir Velo
                          Full Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 3225

                          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                          I was relying both on what might appear to be more recent usage..
                          I wouldn't rely on recent usage if you are looking for the correct answer on such matters! Otherwise, you're likely to use "dependant" when you mean dependent; "uninterested" when you mean disinterested; "would of" instead of....well, you get the drift.

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                          • jean
                            Late member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7100

                            Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                            "Rack and ruin", surely?...
                            No, wrack is all right there.

                            Are you perhaps thinking of the verb, as in 'to rack with pain', etc.?

                            That's often spelled wrack these days. but the OED isn't keen (yet).

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                            • ahinton
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16122

                              Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                              I wouldn't rely on recent usage if you are looking for the correct answer on such matters! Otherwise, you're likely to use "dependant" when you mean dependent; "uninterested" when you mean disinterested; "would of" instead of....well, you get the drift.
                              Well, I most certainly would neer use any of the three examples that you cite here although, of course, as aspects of language and vocabulary can over time metamorphose reasonably (as disticnt from the case of those three examples), what might be of relatively recent origin might in some cases merit being relied upon as much of not more than older examples thereof. Anyway, didn't you mean "liable to use" rather than "likely to use"? (said he, quoting another solecism!)...

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                              • Anastasius
                                Full Member
                                • Mar 2015
                                • 1842

                                Perforce I have had to listen to (In)Essential Classics as I didn't have recourse to any other classical source of music. I swear it has got much worse than the last time I dipped in...so much more 'audience' participation. So much so that in exasperation I texted to 83111 asking them if the programme couldn't be any more banal with its relentless voxpoop.
                                Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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