Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate

[Serial_Apologist]

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Wrack and ruin.

The OED has many interesting columns under 'wrack', well worth a read.



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ahinton was possibly getting mixed up with "rack and pinion" - in my 'pinion.

[Padraig]

ahinton was possibly getting mixed up with "rack and pinion" - in my 'pinion.

Do you reckon he was winging it, S_A?

[LMcD]

Indeed but he shows signs of enjoying the format perhaps a little too much - how long, I wonder, until we have SAGAS - Skellers' Auld Girls And Sirs ..... ?????

And a chart run-down: Skellers' Best Sellers'

[vinteuil]

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... we're waiting for the move to TV, with "Ready Skelly Go!"


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[antongould]

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... we're waiting for the move to TV, with "Ready Skelly Go!"


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Oh very good one vints .....

[ahinton]

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Wrack and ruin.

The OED has many interesting columns under 'wrack', well worth a read.

I was relying both on what might appear to be more recent usage and on https://www.macmillandictionary.com/...-rack-and-ruin and https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...-rack-and-ruin but it appears that it could be either...

[vinteuil]

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'Rack and ruin' is an accepted alternative to the probably more etymologically sound 'wrack'.

I just wondered why you chose to query my spelling.


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[cloughie]

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'Rack and ruin' is an accepted alternative to the probably more etymologically sound 'wrack'.

I just wondered why you chose to query my spelling.


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Vin en vrac is event better!

[vinteuil]

Vin en vrac is even better!

... there's a happy thought!



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[ahinton]

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'Rack and ruin' is an accepted alternative to the probably more etymologically sound 'wrack'.

I just wondered why you chose to query my spelling.

Not to criticise you for it but because I was unaware at the time of doing so that either was an alternative to the other.

[ahinton]

... there's a happy thought!

Indeed so!

[Sir Velo]

I was relying both on what might appear to be more recent usage..

I wouldn't rely on recent usage if you are looking for the correct answer on such matters! Otherwise, you're likely to use "dependant" when you mean dependent; "uninterested" when you mean disinterested; "would of" instead of....well, you get the drift.

[jean]

"Rack and ruin", surely?...

No, wrack is all right there.

Are you perhaps thinking of the verb, as in 'to rack with pain', etc.?

That's often spelled wrack these days. but the OED isn't keen (yet).

[ahinton]

I wouldn't rely on recent usage if you are looking for the correct answer on such matters! Otherwise, you're likely to use "dependant" when you mean dependent; "uninterested" when you mean disinterested; "would of" instead of....well, you get the drift.

Well, I most certainly would neer use any of the three examples that you cite here although, of course, as aspects of language and vocabulary can over time metamorphose reasonably (as disticnt from the case of those three examples), what might be of relatively recent origin might in some cases merit being relied upon as much of not more than older examples thereof. Anyway, didn't you mean "liable to use" rather than "likely to use"? (said he, quoting another solecism!)...

[Anastasius]

Perforce I have had to listen to (In)Essential Classics as I didn't have recourse to any other classical source of music. I swear it has got much worse than the last time I dipped in...so much more 'audience' participation. So much so that in exasperation I texted to 83111 asking them if the programme couldn't be any more banal with its relentless voxpoop.