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Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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Originally posted by DracoM View PostDepends very much on what you / R3 think the purpose of a presenter actually is, I'd say.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by LMcD View PostI'm eagerly awaiting a chance to nominate Ken Dodd's 'More Than Love' and 'Nutrocker' by Bee Bumble and the Stingers. Nor is it an 'Ill Wind' for admirers of Flanders and Swann.
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It occurred to me that once they lose interest in the current companion piece stunt they could perhaps introduce a new feature along the lines of the Word Disassociation game on I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue. Listeners suggest a totally unrelated item to play next. Any other listener spotting a connection wins a point and, as we know, points mean ......
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Richard Tarleton
Originally posted by vinteuil View Post... not all of us, Alpie, not all of us...
I've mentioned it before - in terms of transactional analysis, Suzy's ego (in its technical sense, as evidenced by her presenting manner) is firmly rooted in parent>child mode, occasionally child>child. The occasions when she says things like "X is the wrong answer" (her emphasis) are perfect cases in point.
It's quite simple - I like to be addressed by R3 presenters, much as I am by R4 ones, in adult>adult mode - think Jonathan Swain, James Jolly, Stephen Johnson (a different sort of presenter, but respects his audience's intelligence). On Radio 4, Eddie Mair and the Today team represent everything good about presenting. Or, to lose the jargon, I wish to be treated as a grown-up. I don't want presenters assuming a familiarity they don't enjoy, as far as I'm concerned, and which until the Roger Wright era (now sadly getting worse under Alan Davey) they did not attempt to presume. To tell her audience that it's time to put their feet up and put the kettle on is merely to reveal her (their) assumptions about their audience. Penny Gore was the perfect breakfast time presenter, Catherine Bott and Lucie Skeaping also outstanding ones. It's possible to be fun, and adult. Rob C's mode harder to pin down - I suppose "avuncular" is another version of parent-child. Different when he's on Record Review, of course.Last edited by Guest; 02-12-17, 08:56.
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Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View PostI don't want presenters assuming a familiarity they don't enjoy, as far as I'm concerned, and which until the Roger Wright era (now sadly getting worse under Alan Davey) they did not attempt to presume.
As for RC - I'm another Robosceptic: he has an encyclopoea ... encyclopeid ... encyclopoed ... huge knowledge of repertoire composed between c1700 - 1930, and recorded between 1920 - 90, and my respect for him increased multifold after he actually engaged with posters on the old BBC Messageboards. But, even so, I can't say that I've ever "loved" his presenting style.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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RC has great areas of expertise. Like knowledge of recorded music, which is pretty much a core activity at R3, or at least ought to be.
Unfortunately the BBC give him jobs to do , to which he isn't particularly well suited.
It's easy enough to value his expertise, and ignore the interviews that he struggles with.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostOr maybe Glenn Miller's Story of a Starry Night or the Nice 3rd movt of Tchaikovsky Pathetique or maybe even Love Sculpture's Sabre Dance but hopefully not Donald Peers Please Don't Go.
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Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
I've mentioned it before - in terms of transactional analysis, Suzy's ego (in its technical sense, as evidenced by her presenting manner) is firmly rooted in parent>child mode, occasionally child>child. The occasions when she says things like "X is the wrong answer" (her emphasis) are perfect cases in point.
It's quite simple - I like to be addressed by R3 presenters, much as I am by R4 ones, in adult>adult mode - think Jonathan Swain, James Jolly, Stephen Johnson (a different sort of presenter, but respects his audience's intelligence). On Radio 4, Eddie Mair and the Today team represent everything good about presenting. Or, to lose the jargon, I wish to be treated as a grown-up. I don't want presenters assuming a familiarity they don't enjoy, as far as I'm concerned, and which until the Roger Wright era (now sadly getting worse under Alan Davey) they did not attempt to presume. To tell her audience that it's time to put their feet up and put the kettle on is merely to reveal her (their) assumptions about their audience. Penny Gore was the perfect breakfast time presenter, Catherine Bott and Lucie Skeaping also outstanding ones. It's possible to be fun, and adult. Rob C's mode harder to pin down - I suppose "avuncular" is another version of parent-child. Different when he's on Record Review, of course.
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Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
I've mentioned it before - in terms of transactional analysis, Suzy's ego (in its technical sense, as evidenced by her presenting manner) is firmly rooted in parent>child mode, occasionally child>child.
The presenters are carefully (over carefully?) addressing this audience, as - horrible Radio 3 phrase - 'trusted guides': disastrous on the occasions when, on the 'trusted' basis, they can't be trusted to get basics right. Unforgiveable, in fact. Who knows? Perhaps people who know very little appreciate being treated like children? Perhaps they have neither concept of a musical world beyond, nor any desire to reach it? So be it - but does three hours of this every morning fulfil Radio 3's educational role with integrity?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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