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Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostIt would be ironic if that was a computer error.
I think they're always computer errors, but if there were any quality control …
This is is one of the examples where technology does NOT suit Radio 3: others being the computerisation that rolls up the works as they're played, instead of giving us an advance playlist; and even the iPlayer which makes it more difficult to have overruns and programmes which have slightly longer durations from week to week, depending on content. I imagine even the playout systems are put together by technicians rather than presenters, so when presenters get things right but the technicians make a mistake it's egg on face for the presenter! How much better to have a malfunctioning CD player, with a reserve machine to hand - and too bad if the programme overruns slightly. Would that really be such a loss compared with the current technology-driven content?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View Post
I think they're always computer errors, but if there were any quality control …
This is is one of the examples where technology does NOT suit Radio 3: others being the computerisation that rolls up the works as they're played, instead of giving us an advance playlist; and even the iPlayer which makes it more difficult to have overruns and programmes which have slightly longer durations from week to week, depending on content. I imagine even the playout systems are put together by technicians rather than presenters, so when presenters get things right but the technicians make a mistake it's egg on face for the presenter! How much better to have a malfunctioning CD player, with a reserve machine to hand - and too bad if the programme overruns slightly. Would that really be such a loss compared with the current technology-driven content?
I suspect that the building option for the playlist is chosen editorially: Words and Music routinely issues the playlist in advance, whether it's a repeat or not. I'll see if I can find any evidence in other guidance pages.
You might like to look around the site covering BBC data entry guidelines: it includes editorial guidance for classical items.
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Thanks for that, Andrew. Will study. I don't think entry can be 100% manual, as there are still cases where Cyrillic or Chinese characters are entered for the performer details. I came across an example a couple of days ago when I was checking, and I hardly ever do check now.
Can't find it for the moment, but it's clear someone does sometimes go through and correct manually (e.g. McCartney/McCarthy - was that mistake human or computer error? It was presumably corrected by a human being ).
Originally posted by Andrew Slater View PostI found some guidelines here which suggest the entry process is manual, and quite onerous. (Note the bit about checking for typos!)
I suspect that the building option for the playlist is chosen editorially: Words and Music routinely issues the playlist in advance, whether it's a repeat or not. I'll see if I can find any evidence in other guidance pages.
You might like to look around the site covering BBC data entry guidelines: it includes editorial guidance for classical items.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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And also - I'd assumed the playlist was automated in some way to explain the dripfeed of music played. If it's all done manually why can't they just publish the advance playlist? The Music Brainz links seem to generate automatically - and they can be wrong - eg Ethel Smith, the wurlitzer Wunderkind, for Ethel Smyth.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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I've just opened an account with MusicBrainz. Searching on 'James Mccart' brings up the two people mentioned up-thread in adjacent positions in the list - very easy to click on the wrong one:
Score Name Sort Name Type Gender Area Begin Begin Area End End Area
100 James McCarthy (choir director) McCarthy, James Person Male
99 James McCartney (Paul McCartney's son) McCartney, James Person Male United Kingdom 1977-09-12 London
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others being the computerisation that rolls up the works as they're played, instead of giving us an advance playlist;
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I've been looking into the operation of the playlists over the last few days with a view to getting my online retrospective playlists page working again. (It stopped working in April thanks to changes in the BBC web pages.) I've been looking to see if I can find any playlists produced in advance (to no avail so far). If I do manage to find them (legally!) I'll publish them in advance on my schedule listings pages.
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Originally posted by Andrew Slater View PostI've been looking into the operation of the playlists over the last few days with a view to getting my online retrospective playlists page working again. (It stopped working in April thanks to changes in the BBC web pages.) I've been looking to see if I can find any playlists produced in advance (to no avail so far). If I do manage to find them (legally!) I'll publish them in advance on my schedule listings pages.
To oddoneout: for many (of us) the importance of the advance playlist is to give us the requisite information to decide whether the programme is worth listening to in the first place, not to tell us what's being played when it's being broadcast. This may be the answer: in most cases if one could see the playlist in advance one wouldn't bother We don't have to listen to the radio, just because it's 9.30am.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View Post
To oddoneout: for many (of us) the importance of the advance playlist is to give us the requisite information to decide whether the programme is worth listening to in the first place, not to tell us what's being played when it's being broadcast. This may be the answer: in most cases if one could see the playlist in advance one wouldn't bother We don't have to listen to the radio, just because it's 9.30am.
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostIndeed and I was not intending to imply that the advance list was was unnecessary or dispensable; I have in the past been engaged in debate on this matter since I'm also on the side of preferring the availability of advance information,to use or not depending on the circumstances. I was grumbling at the 'playing now' being in arrears as well as the playlist so even if the computer is on when I'm listening to the radio I still end up having to scribble a note to check the piece at some later stage - radio's not digital so no display at that end.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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