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Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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Originally posted by antongould View PostWhat more, in your opinion, do they have to do Stan ... ?? They seem, especially with the now, IMVVHO, dreadful EC to be copying CFM, a station, IIRC, you have praised in the past ...
My posts are given tongue in cheek. Nevertheless, I'm quite sad at what is happening at R3 by that I mean the dumbing down. And yes I do admire CFM for what is. R3 was a very different kettle of fish. The presenters are hardly likely to rise up against the policy of the management. I just don't like the current approach! Mainly those competitions, the encouragement of tweets, emails etc. and the playing of bleeding chunks.
I'd be interested to read your views on 'The Continuing Debate'!
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Originally posted by Stanfordian View PostHiya antongould,
My posts are given tongue in cheek. ..............
I'd be interested to read your views on 'The Continuing Debate'!
With no tongue and hopefully no cheek ......
My views have been trotted out to the boredom of many in the Eternal Breakfast Debate thread.
I feel the Breakfast programme is a major opportunity to attract newcomers to the music we love. IMVVHO the 150 minutes has improved gradually over time and that some of the views on the forum are slightly off the mark. Recently there was a mild outcry about trailers and a suggestion someone should count them. So I did and found that on the Breakfast show I had analysed the number of trailers was less than a similar analysis 18 months ago. Further the number of pieces played was less and the tracks longer and thus the % of music to talk was higher.
So Breakfast is I feel a programme that can and will attract newcomers.
But from then we should go on to an Essential Classics, or whatever, that has full works that stretch the listener more. The current effort gets very, very low marks from me.
The rest of the schedule contains, again IMVVHO, a lot of good, and better, programmes that can appeal to the old hand and the newcomer - COTW, Record Review, Afternoon on 3, Private Passions and others ...... not forgetting the Proms ....
To shut myself up if Radio 3 was taken from me I'd be gutted and new listeners yet to come would be deprived of something very, very special.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostI feel the Breakfast programme is a major opportunity to attract newcomers to the music we love.
91% of the 15+ population listens to the radio and a large number is listening to it at Breakfast time. What persuades them to stop listening to their number 1 choice which they know and love and instead tune in to Radio 3 to listen to Breakfast? Especially as the evidence suggests that they think of the R3 audience as Them and their programmes as uninteresting?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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I sometimes wonder who listens to these daytime Radio 3 programmes and the answer lies in the Radio 3 Audience Research statistics. In a nutshell, the figures reveal that they are listened to predominantly by white men aged 61 or over. In other words, elderly gents who've retired and no longer have to work for a living, while the rest of the population has left home with Breakfast still playing. The women of that similar age group are doubtless out shopping or doing other chores and don't have time to sit around listening to the radio. Surely even male listeners have to go out at some time during the day? At any rate, I can't believe they are glued to Rob Cowan or Suzy Klein for three hours at a stretch. I mentioned the ethnicity of Radio 3 listeners simply because according to the research, black and other non-white groups account for less than 5% of those who tune in.
As for Breakfast attracting newcomers, I may be in a minority but increasingly of late I find myself reaching for the off-switch and enjoying a bit of silence when something ghastly comes on that seems quite unsuitable for that hour of the morning. In any case, referring back to "newcomers", surely a 61-year-old white man's musical tastes would have been formed long ago in the past and nothing that's played on Radio 3 is likely to change that. Anyway, here is the Research article which shows that Radio 3 is basically a retired white man's radio station, making it unsurprising that young black teenagers for example give it a very wide berth.
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Originally posted by DracoM View Post........or at school?
I have expressed a view that if, say, Elizabeth Alker introduced a programme of classical music on 6 Music where she's already a presenter, it might attract a new audience by increasing the music's street cred. Moreso than presenting Breakfast on R3.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by seabright View PostI sometimes wonder who listens to these daytime Radio 3 programmes and the answer lies in the Radio 3 Audience Research statistics.
It's not true to say that R3 is 'basically a retired white man's station'. The average age of the UK population is about 38: you can't conclude from that that 'basically people in the UK are 38 years old'.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View Post.....
I have expressed a view that if, say, Elizabeth Alker introduced a programme of classical music on 6 Music where she's already a presenter, it might attract a new audience by increasing the music's street cred. Moreso than presenting Breakfast on R3.
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Originally posted by seabright View PostI sometimes wonder who listens to these daytime Radio 3 programmes and the answer lies in the Radio 3 Audience Research statistics. In a nutshell, the figures reveal that they are listened to predominantly by white men aged 61 or over. In other words, elderly gents who've retired and no longer have to work for a living, while the rest of the population has left home with Breakfast still playing. The women of that similar age group are doubtless out shopping or doing other chores and don't have time to sit around listening to the radio. Surely even male listeners have to go out at some time during the day? At any rate, I can't believe they are glued to Rob Cowan or Suzy Klein for three hours at a stretch. I mentioned the ethnicity of Radio 3 listeners simply because according to the research, black and other non-white groups account for less than 5% of those who tune in.
As for Breakfast attracting newcomers, I may be in a minority but increasingly of late I find myself reaching for the off-switch and enjoying a bit of silence when something ghastly comes on that seems quite unsuitable for that hour of the morning. In any case, referring back to "newcomers", surely a 61-year-old white man's musical tastes would have been formed long ago in the past and nothing that's played on Radio 3 is likely to change that. Anyway, here is the Research article which shows that Radio 3 is basically a retired white man's radio station, making it unsurprising that young black teenagers for example give it a very wide berth.
http://www.adambowie.com/weblog/arch...20Research.pdf
Really ? And might you not say the same thing about other groups/age demographics ?
Many peoples taste widens as they get older, and I mean into middle age, not just into their twenties, thirties etc.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostReally ? And might you not say the same thing about other groups/age demographics ?
Many peoples taste widens as they get older, and I mean into middle age, not just into their twenties, thirties etc.
(* - I notice that R6 has a piece by Teleman on this morning's playlist, so perhaps I'm wrong! )[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by LMcD View PostTeleman - would that be Graham Norton?
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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