Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate

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  • Ein Heldenleben
    Full Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 6747

    On the hyperbole front you missed "fantastic " , "brilliant " and "iconic" . Please can the latter only be used in connection with Greek or Russian icons or , if you prefer, eikons.

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    • Bax-of-Delights
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 745

      Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
      On the hyperbole front you missed "fantastic " , "brilliant " and "iconic" . Please can the latter only be used in connection with Greek or Russian icons or , if you prefer, eikons.
      I am firmly of the belief that there is a well thumbed "hyperbole" dictionary in use at R3. KD used to keep it in her locker but now it sits in the canteen next to the baked beans and prune juice.
      O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30241

        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
        On the hyperbole front you missed "fantastic " , "brilliant " and "iconic" . Please can the latter only be used in connection with Greek or Russian icons or , if you prefer, eikons.
        No one yet offered 'awesome'? All this apart, are presenters not allowed to praise a piece of music or performance? And if they are, what epithets would be suitable?

        Not that, in general, I'm not (or wasn't) equally exasperated by the inference that everything Radio 3 broadcast to its audience was amazingly fabulous, and some presenters seemingly have to speak in clichés because they never have anything original to say.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Bax-of-Delights
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 745

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          No one yet offered 'awesome'? All this apart, are presenters not allowed to praise a piece of music or performance? And if they are, what epithets would be suitable?
          The trouble is that it is not at all discriminating. That Bruckner 9th in the Proms puffed up thus by R3 Prom scriptwriter: Amsterdam's mighty Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra is regularly named as one of the world's finest orchestras. Did not SK describe it as "fantastic"?

          Mighty. Finest. Fantastic.

          But served up a total dud.
          O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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          • Barbirollians
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 11669

            I think my original title should be restored ! The forum's view appears to be this is dumbed down Classic FM stuff and even worse after the revamp than before - where is the continuing debate ?

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30241

              Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
              discriminating
              That requires a level of knowledge not always present.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Richard Tarleton

                Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                I think my original title should be restored ! The forum's view appears to be this is dumbed down Classic FM stuff and even worse after the revamp than before - where is the continuing debate ?
                I was thinking of perhaps "Essential Classics - the One Step Forward Two Steps Back thread" but it's getting a bit long.

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37589

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  All this apart, are presenters not allowed to praise a piece of music or performance? And if they are, what epithets would be suitable?
                  "Forceful", "Revelatory", "Galvanising", "Deeply felt", "Clarity", "The music's coherence and sense of direction was well brought out", "A piece well chosen and executed for the times we are living through", etc etc?

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                    I was thinking of perhaps "Essential Classics - the One Step Forward Two Steps Back thread" but it's getting a bit long.
                    "Essential Classics! - YAY!!" ?
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30241

                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      "Forceful", "Revelatory", "Galvanising", "Deeply felt", "Clarity", "The music's coherence and sense of direction was well brought out", "A piece well chosen and executed for the times we are living through", etc etc?
                      Well, they won't be able to use those now without being unoriginal Perhaps they'll think of different ones: disturbing, tempestuous, with a tincture of foreboding …
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Andrew Slater
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 1790

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        I think he can only be on holiday as the commissioning brief definitely said he would be continuing but the BBC would welcome suggestions for the second presenter to form a 'diverse' team. So a woman then, and preferably younger than Rob to be really diverse. But R3 had the final say. Any indications of a younger woman to partner Sean on In Tune?
                        From the Radio Times website for Monday, 2nd October, for Essential Classics:

                        Rob Cowan takes listeners through the morning with the best in classical music. 9.30 Rob explores potential companion pieces for Brahms' Academic Festival Overture. 10.10 Time Traveller. A quirky slice of cultural history. 10.50 As part of the BBC Opera Season, leading British mezzo Christine Rice talks about her cultural influences and inspirations.

                        Strangely, the RT listing for In Tune on that (or the following) day provides no information as to the presenter, whereas the listing for the previous Friday mentions Sean Rafferty:

                        A lively mix of music, chat and arts news, with guests including conductor Peter Oundjian, as he embarks on his final season at the helm of the Royal Scottish National Orchestra, and impersonator-turned-pianist Alistair McGowan, who performs live. Including 5.00, 6.00 News.

                        and from 7pm:

                        A specially curated playlist, featuring favourites together with lesser-known gems, with a few surprises thrown in for good measure.


                        The following, from the Radio Times website for Sunday 1st October, for Sunday Morning might also be of interest, as the programme's been mentioned higher up the thread:

                        Sarah Walker joins Sunday Morning with a varied selection of music, including Prokofiev's Classical Symphony, opus 25, and Vivaldi's Flute Concerto The Goldfinch. There's also lighter fare from Sidney Torch and Percy Grainger, and a focus on the great guitarist Julian Bream. At 11.15, she introduces a new feature, Sarah's Sunday Escape, with dream-like music to take one's mind off the pressures of the day, and this week it is the Rose Adagio from Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty.
                        Last edited by Andrew Slater; 21-09-17, 18:20.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30241

                          So it is settling into a new 'formula' with the Time Traveller - not sure what this was but I'd got the possibly false impression that something to do with a 'traditional sailor's hornpipe' was the music for that when I was checking iPlayer for something else. It reminded me of La Bottine Souriante who used to be a favourite and which I particularly disliked.

                          Sarah's Sunday Escape does sound like the usual attempt to 'personalise' the programme for a reason I simply can't grasp. All these features strike me as twee and slightly stodgy middle-aged items.

                          The 7pm thing must be the In Tune Mixtape item, also announced. Proof of pudding.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30241

                            Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                            One movement of the Waldstein? Surely in a 3 hour programme they can manage a complete Beethoven piano sonata.
                            Just looking back at 29 June 2015, Kreutzer sonata, timed as 42 minutes.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Lat-Literal
                              Guest
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 6983

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              So it is settling into a new 'formula' with the Time Traveller - not sure what this was but I'd got the possibly false impression that something to do with a 'traditional sailor's hornpipe' was the music for that when I was checking iPlayer for something else. It reminded me of La Bottine Souriante who used to be a favourite and which I particularly disliked.
                              I'm for Genticorum myself.

                              Less obvious* - I'm very keen on less obvious.

                              Violon Guérisseur - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuw9...=RDkqcMMS045yA

                              La Bibournoise live - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh_3...=RDkqcMMS045yA

                              (*Contemporary, rangy, a tad idiosyncratic and often overlooked)
                              Last edited by Lat-Literal; 21-09-17, 20:47.

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                              • oddoneout
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2015
                                • 9142

                                Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                                I think my original title should be restored ! The forum's view appears to be this is dumbed down Classic FM stuff and even worse after the revamp than before - where is the continuing debate ?
                                Bit difficult to have a debate when all the participants are of the same mind?

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