Originally posted by antongould
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Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostThank you ff, I stand enlightened ........
I said that, with the 'apparently' qualification, because the target audience, stated in the original commissioning brief is 'as much of the Breakfast audience' as they can keep hold of (Breakfast being a key entry point for 'new' listeners to Radio 3) and Radio 4 listeners who are looking for something different when the Today programme finishes at the switchover point of 9am. That is not to say that there are no listeners to Today who are musically knowledgeable; but that it is the programme audience in general that is being enticed, not the musically knowledgeable.
Remember Paul Gambaccini's public statement (in Radio Times) that in 1995 with his Morning Collection he had 'a specific mission to invite Radio 4 listeners to stay with the BBC rather than switch over to Classic FM'.
That's how far Radio 3 strategic thinking is stuck in the past.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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[QUOTE=french frank;464590]I thought I had answered that - the criteria would be what the commissioning brief sets out as being the kind of programme Radio 3 wanted and how much they were prepared to pay for it. They would need (I'm surmising) to be satisfied that any independent production company which they had not previously commissioned had the experience and personnel to carry out what they were undertaking to do - presumably why Somethin' Else gets chosen for a range of BBC programming, especially music. I don't think there's a great deal of evidence that the process is any more mysterious than any other which involves public tenders. So I don't think it was really 'snippy' to express uncertainty as to what further information was required than what is already available.
Yes, many people make similar contributions on this thread, though mainly (I stand to be corrected) about specific items that have been heard on the programme. I see nothing 'snippy' about contributing to the thread and even disagreeing - or providing a modified answer - to what others have said. That doesn't alter the fact that I think Essential Classics , as conceived by Radio 3, to be unworthy of the station and better fitted for local radio than a quality arts/cultural service. And that will be made clear in the report that will soon be sent to the controller. But if you want to effect change, I take the view that it isn't done by brute force. That can even hinder it.
But, yes, I am (very well) aware that some people think that I, personally, am too reasonable and too willing to see the other side of the argument. But I do feel a game plan is necessary, and that unqualified critical attacks alone e not useful. The groups of angry listeners (and there have been several) who do nothing but express their views don't last long.[/QUO
...So what are "unqualified critical attacks" ? Do tell. Maybe we should give detalis of our academic credentials in future, in order that we might to be allowed to dare make a comment!
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Originally posted by Lento View PostI think someone should contrive to get Penelope Keith and Brian Sewell on the same programme: that would be music to the ears, possibly!
Don't be giving the powers that be ideas. At least it's not Sandi Toksvig, Jonathan Stephen Ross or the conductor Sue Perkins on the same prog.
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Originally posted by Penn Igor View Post
...So what are "unqualified critical attacks" ? Do tell. Maybe we should give detalis of our academic credentials in future, in order that we might to be allowed to dare make a comment!
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Originally posted by Penn Igor View Post...So what are "unqualified critical attacks" ? Do tell. Maybe we should give detalis of our academic credentials in future, in order that we might to be allowed to dare make a comment!
In this context I meant, 'taking a blanket view, making a sweeping generalisation, that everything was bad when there were clearly good things as well'.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostWhilst, one presumes, not in breach of the "rules" as detailed by ff, a, IMVVHO, much more interesting guest. Any views on the Piano Concerto? - always assuming anyone still listens!!!
I switched on just after the beginning and so listened to Keith Emerson's concerto blind, my impression being "not great but a respectable try" and not out of place.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostWhilst, one presumes, not in breach of the "rules" as detailed by ff, a, IMVVHO, much more interesting guest. Any views on the Piano Concerto? - always assuming anyone still listens!!!It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by zola View PostI have long thought that a more productive way of obtaining new converts / listeners would be to target the devotees of the more adventurous and edgy end of rock / pop as opposed to going down the route of easy listening light music. Maconie and the other recent interesting guest Paul Morley epitomised that to me. Late converts explaining a new enthusiasm. Hopefully more likely to play Bartok or Stravinsky than Jonny Greenwood.
I switched on just after the beginning and so listened to Keith Emerson's concerto blind, my impression being "not great but a respectable try" and not out of place.
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Originally posted by zola View PostI have long thought that a more productive way of obtaining new converts / listeners would be to target the devotees of the more adventurous and edgy end of rock / pop as opposed to going down the route of easy listening light music. Maconie and the other recent interesting guest Paul Morley epitomised that to me. Late converts explaining a new enthusiasm.
The other question is whether the "6 Music" appeal pieces - like the Emerson - will ever lead people into the classical canon, which, for me, is what 'loving classical music means'. Whatever the processes by which 'the canon' came to be established, it is the spread of music down the centuries which shouldn't be derided because it's 'old'. Yes, Bartok and Stravinsky would be another step
Not keen on Mary Anne Hobbs being given airtime to play what she plays on 6 Music already - unless it's a quid pro quo: you nab some of our listeners and we'll nab some of yoursIt isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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