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  • Bryn
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
    I suspect it's only listened to by people who "dip in" or use it as pleasant background music - ditto Breakfast, In Tune, Saturday Classics, etc.
    The BBC might do well to experiment - publishing the full playlist in advance. It may even encourage some of the many doubters to tune in occasionally.
    One can, of course, pick and mix one's way through such programmes using a combination of the post-broadcast detailed listing, and the iPlayer's on demand facility. That's what I do, anyway.

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    • Roehre

      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
      I agree.

      ... if there were playlists - even better, if details were provided in the Radio Times - then I wd listen far more.

      As it is, I find Breakfast, Essential Classics, In Tune etc unlistenable-to, so probably miss stuff I wd otherwise really like to hear.

      Radio 3 has lost me as a listener for much of the day...
      for me it's very simple: no playlist in advance = no chance I will listen.
      My time is too precious to listen to music I know inside out or to inane talking

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      • Don Petter

        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        for once, sounded like an interesting guest on EC today, the founder of the Big Issue.

        Anybody catch all of it? I only heard 15 mins or so.
        Did he perhaps explain what 'The big issue' is? I've often wondered.

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by Don Petter View Post
          Did he perhaps explain what 'The big issue' is? I've often wondered.
          Homelessness, perhaps?
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37710

            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Homelessness, perhaps?
            John Bird can come across as being too up his own rectitude, but I do greatly respect him for initiating The Big Issue and keeping it going. The mag usually has one or two articles or interviews worth reading.

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            • Richard Tarleton

              Driving back from counting ducks on a windswept estuary I turned the car radio on, caught the end of some Purcell. SW: "Several tweets came in during that. Tim says thanks for that, Christmas has come early for us lovers of great music"

              Apart from the obvious, that if they're tweeting during the music they're not listening, what does this add to the experience of anyone, apart from Tim? I drove the rest of the way listening to the rumble of my Michelin tyres (see other thread).

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              • Lancashire Lass
                Full Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 118

                I know, I heard that, and not the only vacuous tweet either!

                I'm listening to Radio 3 less and less now, even though I thought I'd reached rock bottom some time ago.

                What makes things worse is when you switch off at a point like the above, switch back on a while later and find you've missed the tail end of something you wanted to listen to (I don't read the playlist beforehand, I like to be surprised). Looks like they've got us both ways :-(

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                • cloughie
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 22128

                  Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                  Driving back from counting ducks on a windswept estuary I turned the car radio on, caught the end of some Purcell. SW: "Several tweets came in during that. Tim says thanks for that, Christmas has come early for us lovers of great music"

                  Apart from the obvious, that if they're tweeting during the music they're not listening, what does this add to the experience of anyone, apart from Tim? I drove the rest of the way listening to the rumble of my Michelin tyres (see other thread).
                  or maybe hear other tread!

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20570

                    Originally posted by Lancashire Lass View Post
                    ... (I don't read the playlist beforehand, I like to be surprised).
                    Do you possess a tardis?

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22128

                      Originally posted by Lancashire Lass View Post
                      I know, I heard that, and not the only vacuous tweet either!

                      I'm listening to Radio 3 less and less now, even though I thought I'd reached rock bottom some time ago.

                      What makes things worse is when you switch off at a point like the above, switch back on a while later and find you've missed the tail end of something you wanted to listen to (I don't read the playlist beforehand, I like to be surprised). Looks like they've got us both ways :-(
                      Or don't have us at all because we've switched off. When will the Beeb powers that be twig tHat we don't want CFM2?

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30329

                        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                        Or don't have us at all because we've switched off. When will the Beeb powers that be twig tHat we don't want CFM2?
                        They twig very well that SOME people want exactly that - no ads for Will-making and Stair-lifts.

                        But one of the points I made to the Trust is that "We" have been made to feel that - in 'British-Rail' speak: we're the wrong kind of audience. So what "We don't want" doesn't matter.

                        Radio 3 has got away with claiming they're a cut above Classic FM, assuming that is necessarily good enough. Let's hope others at the BBC disagree.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • JFLL
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 780

                          Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                          Driving back from counting ducks on a windswept estuary I turned the car radio on, caught the end of some Purcell. SW: "Several tweets came in during that. Tim says thanks for that, Christmas has come early for us lovers of great music"

                          Apart from the obvious, that if they're tweeting during the music they're not listening, what does this add to the experience of anyone, apart from Tim? I drove the rest of the way listening to the rumble of my Michelin tyres (see other thread).
                          The tweets are obviously just read out to make Tom (or Tim), Dick and Harry feel wanted (just as RC always gives us a 'very warm welcome', as though he was inviting us in for a mince pie and a glass of punch), to mitigate the alleged 'dauntingness' of classical music. But the danger is that it prompts the question, if you don't happen to be that particular Tom, Dick or Harry, 'Who cares what they think?' So 'inclusivity' may be counter-productive.

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                          • Richard Tarleton

                            Originally posted by JFLL View Post
                            The tweets are obviously just read out to make Tom (or Tim), Dick and Harry feel wanted (just as RC always gives us a 'very warm welcome', as though he was inviting us in for a mince pie and a glass of punch), to mitigate the alleged 'dauntingness' of classical music. But the danger is that it prompts the question, if you don't happen to be that particular Tom, Dick or Harry, 'Who cares what they think?' So 'inclusivity' may be counter-productive.
                            Both sides are complicit in this - the writer, for his /her/their vacuous, nugatory tweet which conveys nothing, written in haste, while the music is playing, for the sole purpose of hearing it read out at the end of the piece - not information, not understanding, not sharing of experience, nothing - and the presenters/producers for reading this drivel out.

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                            • Don Petter

                              Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                              Both sides are complicit in this - the writer, for his /her/their vacuous, nugatory tweet which conveys nothing, written in haste, while the music is playing, for the sole purpose of hearing it read out at the end of the piece - not information, not understanding, not sharing of experience, nothing - and the presenters/producers for reading this drivel out.
                              Is this perhaps the aural equivalent of the now ubiquitous 'selfie', in which the empty-headed just want to hear their name and the 'celebrity presenter's' voice in the same sentence?

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30329

                                Originally posted by JFLL View Post
                                The tweets are obviously just read out to make Tom (or Tim), Dick and Harry feel wanted (just as RC always gives us a 'very warm welcome', as though he was inviting us in for a mince pie and a glass of punch), to mitigate the alleged 'dauntingness' of classical music. But the danger is that it prompts the question, if you don't happen to be that particular Tom, Dick or Harry, 'Who cares what they think?' So 'inclusivity' may be counter-productive.
                                And Radio 3 is most to blame. What harm is done if some individual wants to tweet, text or email their thanks, appreciation or whatever to a programme? It's Radio 3's assumption(?) that this is worthwhile material, of sufficient quality and interest to broadcast it to thousands of other people. It shows a lack of confidence in what they're doing: 'Look, we're doing jolly well because someone has tweeted in to say so.' And it's patronising on their part to imagine that listeners won't see through it and think all the less of them for doing so.
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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