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  • teamsaint
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 25209

    Originally posted by Classical Fan View Post
    The problem with Rob Cowan is that he has a job for life and even his terrible pronunciations(did I hear Veeber for Weber the other day?)will continue without correction. Is his knowledge really that great, as there are many neglected and valuable recordings of unusual repertoire not yet touched upon. Unfortunately, the emails, tweets and texts will prevent me from listening to his programmes all the way through. Too much talk and too little music

    RC has a job for life?

    I bet that is news to him.

    EC is produced externally,and I doubt if he is a BBC employee.
    IMO its not the quantity of talk that is the problem, it is the content, likely determined by the programmes remit.
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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    • Penn Igor

      Originally posted by Classical Fan View Post
      The problem with Rob Cowan is that he has a job for life and even his terrible pronunciations(did I hear Veeber for Weber the other day?)will continue without correction. Is his knowledge really that great, as there are many neglected and valuable recordings of unusual repertoire not yet touched upon. Unfortunately, the emails, tweets and texts will prevent me from listening to his programmes all the way through. Too much talk and too little music
      If you think RC is bad, try listening to "Clemmy" sometime, on Breakfast. She has now made "Prinz Eyegore" almost the received pronunciation of the piece, under her watch, given how many times it is played. It could almost be described as the programme call sign now!

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26536

        Originally posted by Penn Igor View Post
        try listening to "Clemmy" sometime, on Breakfast


        Sorry, no

        Never again...
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • teamsaint
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 25209

          Originally posted by Caliban View Post


          Sorry, no

          Never again...
          Not even is EdgeleyRob gets on with his Best of British Choice, and it is clem's shift?
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • Don Petter

            Originally posted by Caliban View Post


            Sorry, no

            Never again...
            C B Hill is a ridge too far?

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30286

              Now, come, come, children ... Presenters these days aren't 'BBC employees' in the old sense, though they are employed by the BBC. They're mostly freelances on contract - like senior managers, I believe. If Mr Appleyard is to be believed (but what does he know?), our new man isn't keen on texts and tweets. Watch this space (and the early shift) to find out.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Ferretfancy
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 3487

                When Rob Cowan was presenting CD Masters he was able to broadcast his own enthusiasms, choose interesting performances and speak with natural authority. You might not always agree with him, but you would be unlikely to doubt his knowledge of recorded music.

                Since the ending of CDM, he and his co-presenters seem to have no say in what is broadcast, but are expected to praise everything while dealing with inane tweets and quizzes, and sometimes the frustration can be sensed. Watch RC conducting interviews at pre-Prom talks, or hear him do Building a Library and a very different picture emerges.
                I can only hope that Appleyard's assessment of the value of Radio Three will be shared by the new Controller, but I suspect that the battle is lost in the Toytown world we live in.

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                • Classical Fan

                  Well, thank goodness i'm not the only one who is fed up of RC talking all the time and not allowing us to just savour the work in question....I do not need to be told HOW to listen to a piece and what I should be listening out for.
                  And while we are at it, does anyone really appreciate Stephen Johnson's ridiculously plummy tones..........David Nice is like that too. Sometimes, the banter between presenters sounds like two old ladies having tea........"talking
                  bollocks" I think the saying goes.

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25209

                    I don't mind knowledgeable presenters pointing out areas of interest in a performance at all. It just needs to be done with the context taken into account.


                    I enjoy SJ's contributions very much, when he is allowed to make them. I can live with listening to a plummy voice if what is being spoken is worthwhile.

                    DJ style banter, of the sort that the trailers for In Tune indulge in, is not something I enjoy though. Neither is the breathless, uncritical acclaim given all too often post performance by the presenters.
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • antongould
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 8782

                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                      Not even is EdgeleyRob gets on with his Best of British Choice, and it is clem's shift?
                      ....and if she turns out to be a Stockport County season ticket holder surely all will be forgiven?????

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30286

                        Originally posted by antongould View Post
                        ....and if she turns out to be a Stockport County season ticket holder surely all will be forgiven?????
                        Arsenal fan. Allegedly.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • vinteuil
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12823

                          Originally posted by Classical Fan View Post
                          And while we are at it, does anyone really appreciate Stephen Johnson's ridiculously plummy tones..........David Nice is like that too..

                          .... some of us find this inverse snobbery just as tedious as traditional snobbery.

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                          • Don Petter

                            Originally posted by Classical Fan View Post
                            And while we are at it, does anyone really appreciate Stephen Johnson's ridiculously plummy tones...
                            I'm absolutely fine with SJ, and his contributions.

                            Rather him than the simpering tones and strangled vowels of the younger generation of R3 'presenters', all ee's instead of oo's.

                            (Come back Penny 'Hesitation' Gore!)

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                            • JFLL
                              Full Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 780

                              Originally posted by Classical Fan View Post
                              ... does anyone really appreciate Stephen Johnson's ridiculously plummy tones.....?.
                              Not me, but I dislike even more his emphasising almost every other word, so that in the end nothing is emphasised.

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                              • doversoul1
                                Ex Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 7132

                                Originally posted by Classical Fan View Post
                                And while we are at it, does anyone really appreciate Stephen Johnson's ridiculously plummy tones...........
                                To me, Stephen Johnson is one of the very best presenters Radio 3 has. The content of his presentation far overweighs his slight mannerism.

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