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  • mercia
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8920

    the Fry looks as if he could do with a hug (fortunately)

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    • Stanfordian
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 9308

      Originally posted by mercia View Post
      the Fry looks as if he could do with a hug (fortunately)
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/galleries/p0262wjv
      Hiya Mercia, He certainly looks like worse for wear. But I'm not sure a hug will solve his problem.

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      • Bax-of-Delights
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 745

        I nearly turned off after the first offering from RC - the "Harry Potter" theme (a staple ClassicFM item) and nearly did again as the crass quiz "transports of delight" came up: "What kind of transport is depicted here?" Cue: Schubert's Der Erlkonig.
        But I hung on for Walton's 2nd symphony (why, I ask myself - I have the same recording here in my own library). And then Fry arrived stage left and the burbling and mutual ego rubbing began (see the picture above with RC's arm around Fry - slightly gruesome I have to say). That was the moment I finally DID switch off.
        O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30241

          Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
          I nearly turned off after the first offering from RC - the "Harry Potter" theme (a staple ClassicFM item)
          It's typical of the dubious basis that drives the editorial choices:

          Harry Potter because the guest is Stephen Fry who once read Harry Potter on Radio 4
          It's performer X because performer X will be performing tonight on Live in Concert (trail)
          It's Composer Y because Composer Y features in tonight's Live in Concert (trail)
          It's Composer Z because Composer Z is the subject of this week's CotW (trail)
          It's This Piece Of Music because it's a favourite piece of today's guest/guest presenter
          It's This Piece Of Music because a listener requested it in a phone-in/email/text/tweet

          So what drives the choice so often is not musical at all - and often just the excuse to trail something else.
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Bax-of-Delights
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 745

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            It's typical of the dubious basis that drives the editorial choices:

            Harry Potter because the guest is Stephen Fry who once read Harry Potter on Radio 4
            It's performer X because performer X will be performing tonight on Live in Concert (trail)
            It's Composer Y because Composer Y features in tonight's Live in Concert (trail)
            It's Composer Z because Composer Z is the subject of this week's CotW (trail)
            It's This Piece Of Music because it's a favourite piece of today's guest/guest presenter
            It's This Piece Of Music because a listener requested it in a phone-in/email/text/tweet

            So what drives the choice so often is not musical at all - and often just the excuse to trail something else.
            Oh yes this has been quite prevalent (and very obvious) on Breakfast but it now infests the whole of the schedule and it makes the station appear totally self-absorbed. We're into the last 5 days of the Proms but the generic ads keep on a-coming as if listeners - those who are left - may possibly not have realised that they are on. My listening time to R3 is extremely limited these days but I have lost count of how many times these ads crop up. For all-day listeners they must be exasperating.
            O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26523

              Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
              burbling
              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
              burbling

              Snap !!

              (Only just read yours from earlier, after just posting on the other thread)

              I did enjoy Ianucci last week - as I said in that other post - but why cram them into 5 arrtificial 'daily' slots - Ianucci should have his own programme, he's just right (but I bet he's got neither time nor inclination)
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Sir Velo
                Full Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 3225

                Be careful what you wish for. If they moved the guest slot into one day (3 hrs of one guest? ), they would then be looking to fill the other four days. My guess would be that would be even more minor "celeb" spots from the j or k listing; or more "challenges"; "quizzes" and text-ins.

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Rob Cowan was truly excellent as one of the two CD Masters, back in the days for that programme. How sad that he be brought down to what is described in this thread.

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                  • Don Petter

                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                    Rob Cowan was truly excellent as one of the two CD Masters, back in the days for that programme. How sad that he be brought down to what is described in this thread.
                    His suggestions that everything is in some way a special performance brings to mind echoes of 'The Gondoliers': 'When everyone is somebody then no-one's anybody!'

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37589

                      Originally posted by Don Petter View Post
                      His suggestions that everything is in some way a special performance brings to mind echoes of 'The Gondoliers': 'When everyone is somebody then no-one's anybody!'
                      Or, "Everything is beautiful, in its own way" is equivalent to "nothing is beautiful, in any way".

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                      • Stanfordian
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 9308

                        ‘Essential Classics’ is on at a great time for me and I suspect many others at home during the day. But I do wish the presenter(s) would concentrate on the music and restrict the talk to inform the listener about the work being played such as the background to it, or pertinent info about the composer etc. Not inane conversations with so called celebrities and where they first heard a piece of music and what they had for their breakfast and so on. The same also could be said for the ‘Breakfast’ programme.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30241

                          Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                          ‘Essential Classics’ is on at a great time for me and I suspect many others at home during the day.
                          As far as Radio 3 is concerned, I'd call the 9-12 slot a 'secondary peaktime', and I'd guess it now gets more listeners than Breakfast which starts at 6.30 when R3 has few listeners turning out to go to work than other stations. And it's been shortened by 30 minutes.

                          This is obviously why these programmes have been chosen to attract the new audience: because 'out there' there are more people wanting to listen to the radio. No good having Jonathan Swain playing the short lollipops and inviting the texts and tweets at midnight because that's never going to attract a sizeable new audience.

                          But if the listening figures show no improvement ...
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            It's typical of the dubious basis that drives the editorial choices:

                            Harry Potter because the guest is Stephen Fry who once read Harry Potter on Radio 4
                            It's performer X because performer X will be performing tonight on Live in Concert (trail)
                            It's Composer Y because Composer Y features in tonight's Live in Concert (trail)
                            It's Composer Z because Composer Z is the subject of this week's CotW (trail)
                            It's This Piece Of Music because it's a favourite piece of today's guest/guest presenter
                            It's This Piece Of Music because a listener requested it in a phone-in/email/text/tweet

                            So what drives the choice so often is not musical at all - and often just the excuse to trail something else.
                            Ahem. I feel sure that you will feel vindicated in that closing comment, Frenchie, now that Essential Classics, along with several other Radio 3 programmes, is no longer a Classic Arts production, but Something Else.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30241

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              Ahem. I feel sure that you will feel vindicated in that closing comment, Frenchie, now that Essential Classics, along with several other Radio 3 programmes, is no longer a Classic Arts production, but Something Else.
                              They've been advertising for a new Broadcast Assistant for the programme. As well as a good knowledge of the core repertoire, they must be 'Avid user of social media' ... Has it been in-house for the last couple of years? Classic Arts isn't showing 'past programmes' beyond 2012.

                              I scuttled home before EC began this morning, but re my previous, there was a weird sense of Breakfast becoming more like R3's Facebook and Twitter: the purpose of the programme to act as a promotional platform for other programmes. With incursions by happy listeners paying compliments
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20570

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                They've been advertising for a new Broadcast Assistant for the programme. As well as a good knowledge of the core repertoire, they must be 'Avid user of social media' ... Has it been in-house for the last couple of years? Classic Arts isn't showing 'past programmes' beyond 2012.

                                Job Description
                                researching recordings in the BBC’s CD library
                                assisting in studio during live broadcasts
                                general information research to support the programme
                                meeting and greeting guests
                                being responsible for all BBC programme delivery paperwork
                                programme team administration

                                Qualities
                                in-depth knowledge of the core classical repertoire (Baroque to Late Romantic)
                                good knowledge of the leading recording artists of the past 50 years
                                able to write clearly and creatively
                                a professional and personable manner
                                a positive, can-do attitude
                                a passion for radio
                                good knowledge classical music media of all types especially BBC Radio 3
                                an avid user of social media
                                experience of BBC systems would be a distinct advantage but it is not mandatory
                                radio production experience would be a distinct advantage but it is not mandatory


                                This speaks volumes.
                                Particularly the bit about "core classical repertoire".

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