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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30250

    Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

    Who wrote '......she had the neat handwriting of the illiterate'? Sounds Shavian. Whereas my Doctor ( a 'grownup' with impeccable musical taste) of many years wrote in hieroglyphics which somehow our local chemist had always deciphered correctly....I hope!
    Doesn't have to be neat, just not like a primary school child's. Doctors are a race apart: they adopt illegibility as a qualification for prescribing.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Roger Webb
      Full Member
      • Feb 2024
      • 753

      Originally posted by french frank View Post

      ........Doctors are a race apart: they adopt illegibility as a qualification for prescribing.
      Not any more - you phone the surgery and are told to go straight to the Pharmacy for their opinion, thereby cutting out the middle-man. The art of medical calligraphy is dying out along with it.

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      • LMcD
        Full Member
        • Sep 2017
        • 8410

        Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

        Who wrote '......she had the neat handwriting of the illiterate'? Sounds Shavian. Whereas my Doctor ( a 'grownup' with impeccable musical taste) of many years wrote in hieroglyphics which somehow our local chemist had always deciphered correctly....I hope!
        I found this phrase referring to a chap called Parsons in Orwell's 1984.

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        • Roger Webb
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          • Feb 2024
          • 753

          Originally posted by LMcD View Post

          I found this phrase referring to a chap called Parsons in Orwell's 1984.
          Ah, thanks, I knew I'd read it somewhere....and by one of the titans! But referring to a 'chap' called Parsons? I wonder if he said it, or had it said about his handwriting? In which case 'she' was wrong in the quote.

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          • Roger Webb
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            • Feb 2024
            • 753

            Edit. Just found it, it was Parsons who was judged illiterate despite his neat handwriting...why therefore did I remember it as 'she', best not ask, I apologise!

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
              • 37602

              Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post
              Edit. Just found it, it was Parsons who was judged illiterate despite his neat handwriting...why therefore did I remember it as 'she', best not ask, I apologise!
              Parsons knows.

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              • oddoneout
                Full Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 9145

                Originally posted by Opinionated Knowall View Post

                Brewing industry I believe. Back to Adnams!
                It is. My first job after school was in a public library that had a Whitbread brewery at the back of it, and every now and then a truck would arrive to collect the drums of spent yeast. The library offices and work spaces were on the first floor at the back and got the full benefit of the smell when brewing was getting underway, which mostly didn't get through to the library space itself fortunately. Depending on timing and wind direction there would be an added olfactory assault from the curry house also in the vicinity, getting ready for the evening's offerings.

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                • oddoneout
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                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9145

                  Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post
                  Well I just ruined my reputation on this site with this morning's Playlist! I thought Fiona Talkington was in the chair next week - might give her a go too!

                  Edit No, you're right it's Georgia...what a disappointment!
                  Fiona's doing the afternoon shift. The programme will apparently feature
                  live performances conducted by Neville Marriner to mark the centenary of his birth
                  I know the R3 definition of live differs from what many understand in general use, but the idea of NM conducting performances to mark his centenary takes that to the next level, as they say.

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                  • Roger Webb
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                    • Feb 2024
                    • 753

                    Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

                    Fiona's doing the afternoon shift. The programme will apparently feature I know the R3 definition of live differs from what many understand in general use, but the idea of NM conducting performances to mark his centenary takes that to the next level, as they say.
                    Right, afternoons it is then, I like FTs calm, unflustered delivery...oh, and quite unusually her mastery of most foreign titles and composer's names - she even got Ginastera spot-on!

                    The afternoon spot is adept at pretending what are commercially available recordings eg BBC Phil. recorded in Manchester and usually on Chandos, are their own specially recorded Perfs - a small step to passing them off as 'live'.

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                    • LMcD
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8410

                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

                      Parsons knows.

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25195

                        Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

                        It is. My first job after school was in a public library that had a Whitbread brewery at the back of it, and every now and then a truck would arrive to collect the drums of spent yeast. The library offices and work spaces were on the first floor at the back and got the full benefit of the smell when brewing was getting underway, which mostly didn't get through to the library space itself fortunately. Depending on timing and wind direction there would be an added olfactory assault from the curry house also in the vicinity, getting ready for the evening's offerings.
                        “ The Drums of Spent Yeast “ is a title in search of an album.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
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                          • Apr 2014
                          • 6754

                          Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

                          Fiona's doing the afternoon shift. The programme will apparently feature I know the R3 definition of live differs from what many understand in general use, but the idea of NM conducting performances to mark his centenary takes that to the next level, as they say.
                          Unless ,like me , you believe that Sir Neville , one of the most recorded artists in history, is in many ways immortal and therefore eternally live .

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                          • oddoneout
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 9145

                            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                            Unless ,like me , you believe that Sir Neville , one of the most recorded artists in history, is in many ways immortal and therefore eternally live .
                            In memory perhaps, but the thought of a sort of classical Phantom of the Opera conducting concerts doesn't quite do it for me - and does it work even if not all the performers "believe"? The other "face value" interpretation - that he specially recorded a set of performances to be archived for his centenary - is just repugnant and even more unlikely?
                            I suppose I should just accept that the online content is rubbish, and curb my brain's tendency to go down the rabbit holes of literal interpretation - even if they are sometimes entertaining.

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                            • AuntDaisy
                              Host
                              • Jun 2018
                              • 1621

                              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                              In memory perhaps, but the thought of a sort of classical Phantom of the Opera conducting concerts doesn't quite do it for me - and does it work even if not all the performers "believe"? The other "face value" interpretation - that he specially recorded a set of performances to be archived for his centenary - is just repugnant and even more unlikely?
                              I suppose I should just accept that the online content is rubbish, and curb my brain's tendency to go down the rabbit holes of literal interpretation - even if they are sometimes entertaining.
                              Perhaps it's an interpretation of "recorded before a live audience" (e.g. this The Verb), as opposed to one consisting of the recently deceased?

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 6754

                                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                                In memory perhaps, but the thought of a sort of classical Phantom of the Opera conducting concerts doesn't quite do it for me - and does it work even if not all the performers "believe"? The other "face value" interpretation - that he specially recorded a set of performances to be archived for his centenary - is just repugnant and even more unlikely?
                                I suppose I should just accept that the online content is rubbish, and curb my brain's tendency to go down the rabbit holes of literal interpretation - even if they are sometimes entertaining.
                                There’s a New Yorker Cartoon where a parrot is pictured listening to the radio.
                                The radio says “That was the Academy of St Martin-in-the-Fields ..”
                                The parrot interrupts and completes with “conducted by by Sir Neville Mariner.”
                                That’s immortality …

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